What is the correct order of integration when performing a change of variables?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving change of variables in multiple integrals, specifically focusing on determining the correct order of integration after applying a transformation. The subject area is calculus, particularly in the context of multiple integrals and Jacobians.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to understand why the order of integration is specified as dc db da instead of da db dc, questioning how to determine the correct order. Other participants suggest considering boundary conditions as linear equations and integrating in the original coordinate system, while also discussing the implications of the order of integration on the volume calculation.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the significance of the order of integration. Some guidance has been offered about using boundary conditions and maintaining orientation in the integration process, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach or the necessity of changing the order of integration.

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There is a mention of the need for correct integration limits and the assumption that the restrictions are valid for each order of integration. The discussion also highlights that the end result should be consistent regardless of the integration order, provided the limits are correctly applied.

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I have this question given:

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So I used change of variables, fairly straightforward, I set

a = x+y+z
b = x+2y
c = y - 3z

computed the jacobian, and got the new ranges.

Anyway, so the solution has the order of integration as
int int int (sqrt a dc db da)

why is it from dc db da? I was wrong at that part because i used da db dc, how do you find out what the order of integration should be?
 
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What you can do is to regard the boundary conditions as a system of linear equations. This will allow you to calculate values for x,y and z ( this is where the parallelpipes intersect ). Now stay in the same coordinate system and simply integrate over dxdydz using the values obtained earlier - make sure they are oriented correctly, i.e. the signs are correct. The actual integration should then be straightforward.
 
I get what you are saying, but its volume, so why does it matter if you integrate with respect to z, y and x rather than in the other order? (assuming the restrictions are correct for each order).

Change of variable has to be used for this question because it makes it a lot easier. What I want to know though is the order of integration when you perform the change of variable.
 
Kuma said:
I get what you are saying, but its volume, so why does it matter if you integrate with respect to z, y and x rather than in the other order? (assuming the restrictions are correct for each order).

Change of variable has to be used for this question because it makes it a lot easier. What I want to know though is the order of integration when you perform the change of variable.

Well, the end result, if done correctly, will be the same for each method.
I personally think that this particular integral is actually much easier to calculate if you stay in the [x,y,z] space; the order of variables doesn't need to change either, in fact the order doesn't even matter so long as you have the integration limits right.
 

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