What is the correct structure for transition metal complex ions?

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The discussion centers on determining the three-dimensional structure of the transition metal complex ion [CoCl4]. There is confusion between two potential geometries: tetrahedral and square planar. The tetrahedral structure is suggested due to the presence of four chloride ions, which would repel each other, leading to a bond angle of 109 degrees, maximizing distance between ligands. However, the conversation reveals that understanding the distinction between these geometries may be more complex than initially thought, and it may not be necessary for introductory chemistry exams. The emphasis is on the VSEPR theory for basic understanding, while the nuances of coordination complex geometries are noted as advanced topics for further study in inorganic chemistry.
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I'm getting myself muddled up, and don't know how to work out what the 3-d structure of transition metel complex ions.

For example, the compound [CoCl4] has a Cobalt +2 ion surrounded by four chloride ions. I've seen two different structures for it. One is tetrahedral, like methane, the other is sqaure planar.

Which structure is correct?
 
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Which one do you think is correct, based on your own analysis?
 
well i would have guessed a tetrahedral shape for [CoCl4], just because there are 4 chloride ions, which would try and repel each other as much as possible.

The tetrahedral shape has a bond angle of 109 degrees compared to 90 degrees for a square planar shape, so this allows the greatest distance for the chloride ligands
 
joeyjo100 said:
well i would have guessed a tetrahedral shape for [CoCl4], just because there are 4 chloride ions, which would try and repel each other as much as possible.

The tetrahedral shape has a bond angle of 109 degrees compared to 90 degrees for a square planar shape, so this allows the greatest distance for the chloride ligands

Ok .. that's a reasonable start. However you asked a similar question about square-planar vs tetrahedral geometries before, and I answered it. Why don't you go back to that response, and see if it gives you some additional insight.
 
yeah. I forgot that I'd posted that, I've been in my own little revision world lately so things just keep coming and going.

And in fact I just looked back at the reply in my last post. I do admit that it's a bit over my head, but I guess that in itself is an answer. It means that I don't need to be worrying too much about it for the exam.

thanks for replying!
 
joeyjo100 said:
yeah. I forgot that I'd posted that, I've been in my own little revision world lately so things just keep coming and going.

And in fact I just looked back at the reply in my last post. I do admit that it's a bit over my head, but I guess that in itself is an answer. It means that I don't need to be worrying too much about it for the exam.

thanks for replying!

No problem ... sorry if my reply was over your head. Please feel free to ask if you need or want clarification on any of the points. If you are in an introductory chemistry class, then it is likely that you only need to know the VSEPR arguments that you gave above in #3 to explain the structure. The difference between square-planar and tetrahedral geometries for coordination complexes is a more advanced topic that you will hit when you study inorganic chemistry at a higher level.
 
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