What is the difference between Raman scattering and fluorescence

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The discussion revolves around the differences between Raman scattering and fluorescence emission, exploring the mechanisms and characteristics of each phenomenon. Participants delve into theoretical aspects, potential applications, and personal observations related to fluorescence.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant explains that Raman scattering involves light interacting with a molecule's electron cloud, leading to a shift in the emitted photon's frequency, distinguishing it from fluorescence, which involves absorption to a discrete energy level.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the nature of fluorescence, suggesting it may involve chiral molecules that twist and release light as they uncoil, noting a time delay in fluorescence drop-off when the light source is removed.
  • A participant mentions personal observations of fluorescence in certain rocks and minerals, highlighting that they absorb light at one wavelength and re-emit it at a different wavelength under UV light, contrasting with their appearance under white light.

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Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of fluorescence, with some uncertainty about the definitions and characteristics of both Raman scattering and fluorescence. No consensus has been reached regarding the specifics of fluorescence.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and mechanisms of fluorescence, particularly in relation to chiral molecules and the time delay in fluorescence emission. The discussion also touches on the distinction between fluorescence and luminescence without clear definitions.

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What is the difference between Raman scattering and fluorescence emission?
 
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Hi Emmangel
Welcome to PF :)

there is a difference... this clip from wiki should hopefully clear it up ...

The Raman effect occurs when light impinges upon a molecule and interacts with the electron cloud and the bonds of that molecule. For the spontaneous Raman effect, which is a form of light scattering, a photon excites the molecule from the ground state to a virtual energy state. When the molecule relaxes it emits a photon and it returns to a different rotational or vibrational state. The difference in energy between the original state and this new state leads to a shift in the emitted photon's frequency away from the excitation wavelength. The Raman effect, which is a light scattering phenomenon, should not be confused with absorption (as with fluorescence) where the molecule is excited to a discrete (not virtual) energy level.

so really simply Raman scattering is more akin to reflection, fluorescence isnt, rather it is an absorption effect

cheers
Dave
 
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davenn said:
fluorescence isnt, rather its absorption


I'm not sure about this. But I think fluorescences is due to certain kinds of chiral molecules getting twisted tighter by different light, and then releasing the light as they uncoil. And I think this is why you can see a perceptible time delay in the drop off fluorescence when you switch off your UV source or whatever.

And there are certain sweets - mints - that if you crack them in the dark, you'll see them fluores for a few seconds.
 


krd said:
I'm not sure about this. But I think fluorescences is due to certain kinds of chiral molecules getting twisted tighter by different light, and then releasing the light as they uncoil. And I think this is why you can see a perceptible time delay in the drop off fluorescence when you switch off your UV source or whatever.

And there are certain sweets - mints - that if you crack them in the dark, you'll see them fluores for a few seconds.

dunno if that would be fluorescence or luminescence

On the other hand to align with the earlier statement, my fluorescing rocks and minerals
absorb the light of one wavelength and re-emit it at a different wavelength
Under plain "white light" they are nothing outstanding to look at, under UV light they fluoresce amazing bright and vivid colours, that bear no relation to their white light colours

Dave
 

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