What is the Efficiency of a Heat Engine?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the efficiency of a hypothetical heat engine operating on a cycle with an ideal gas as the working substance. Participants are tasked with demonstrating the efficiency formula and exploring the relationships between work done and heat exchanged during the engine's operation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of work and heat in the context of the engine's cycle, questioning the relationships between pressure, volume, and temperature during adiabatic processes. There is exploration of integral calculus to derive expressions for work done.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and corrections to each other's algebraic manipulations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of variables and the setup of integrals, but no consensus has been reached on the final expressions for work and heat.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem involves significant algebraic manipulation and that care must be taken to maintain accuracy in the expressions used. There is an emphasis on understanding the implications of adiabatic versus isothermal processes in the context of the heat engine.

  • #31
Okay so:

Work = Q_1_2 - Q_3_1

Q_{12) = (C_V (\frac{p_1v_3}{nR} - \frac{p_1v_1}{nR}) + (V_3 - V_1)P_1

Okay so Q23

Q = U + W along path 23

W = 0

\Delta U = C_P \Delta T (V const)

using Ideal gas law, T = PV/nR

\Delta T = \frac{P_3V_3}{nR} - \frac{P_1V_3}{nR}

\Delta U = C_P \frac{P_3V_3}{nR} - \frac{P_1V_3}{nR}

Q_{23} = C_P \frac{P_3V_3}{nR} - \frac{P_1V_3}{nR}


So:

e = \frac{Work}{Q_{12}}

Work = \left(C_V (\frac{p_1v_3}{nR} - \frac{p_1v_1}{nR}) + (V_3 - V_1)P_1\right) - \left(C_P \frac{P_3V_3}{nR} - \frac{P_1V_3}{nR}\right)

e = \frac{\left(C_V (\frac{p_1v_3}{nR} - \frac{p_1v_1}{nR}) + (V_3 - V_1)P_1\right) - \left(C_P \frac{P_3V_3}{nR} - \frac{P_1V_3}{nR}\right)}{(C_V (\frac{p_1v_3}{nR} - \frac{p_1v_1}{nR}) + (V_3 - V_1)P_1}


So does this look okay now?
 
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  • #32
TFM said:
...
So:

e = \frac{Work}{Q_{12}}

Work = \left(C_V (\frac{p_1v_3}{nR} - \frac{p_1v_1}{nR}) + (V_3 - V_1)P_1\right) - \left(C_P \frac{P_3V_3}{nR} - \frac{P_1V_3}{nR}\right)

e = \frac{\left(C_V (\frac{p_1v_3}{nR} - \frac{p_1v_1}{nR}) + (V_3 - V_1)P_1\right) - \left(C_P \frac{P_3V_3}{nR} - \frac{P_1V_3}{nR}\right)}{(C_V (\frac{p_1v_3}{nR} - \frac{p_1v_1}{nR}) + (V_3 - V_1)P_1}
Try:

Q_{12} = n\gamma C_v(T_2-T_1) and Q_{23} = nC_v(T_3-T_2)

\eta = W/Q_h = \frac{Q_{12} - Q_{23}}{Q_{12}} = \frac{(\gamma(T_2-T_1) - (T_3 - T_2)}{\gamma(T_2-T_1)}

Work out T1 and T3 using:

TV^{\gamma-1} = const.

ie.

T_3 = T_1\left(\frac{V_1}{V_3}\right)^{\gamma-1} = \frac{P_1V_1}{nR}\left(\frac{V_1}{V_3}\right)^{\gamma-1}

T_2 = P_1V_3/nR

AM
 
  • #33
I see. So:

Q = n C_P \Delta T

From the expression for gamma,

C_p = f C_V (I am using f because gamma doesn't show well on latex)

so

Q = n f C_V \Delta T


Q_{12} = n f C_V (T_2 - T_1)

Q_{23} = n C_V (T_3 - T_2)


e = W/Q_h = \frac{Q_{12} - Q_{23}}{Q_{12}}

\frac{Q_{12} - Q_{23}}{Q_{12}} = \frac{nf C_V (T_2 - T_1) - n C_V (T_3 - T_2)}{n f C_V (T_2 - T_1)}

Cancels to:

\frac{Q_{12} - Q_{23}}{Q_{12}} = \frac{f(T_2 - T_1) - (T_3 - T_2)}{f(T_2 - T_1)}

so using adiabatic law:

TV^f = c

T_{1}V_{1}^{f -1}= T_{3}V_{3}^{f-1}

T_{1}= T_{3}\frac{V_{3}^{f-1}}{V_{1}^{f -1}}

Use ideal gas law:

T = PV/nR

\T_1= \frac{P_3V_3}{nR}\frac{V_{3}^{f-1}}{V_{1}^{f -1}}

T_2 = \frac{P_1V_3}{nR}

T_3 = \frac{P_1V_1}{nR}\frac{V_{1}^{f-1}}{V_{3}^{f -1}}

so:

\frac{(f(\frac{P_1V_3} - \frac{P_3V_3}{nR}\frac{V_{3}^{f-1}}{V_{1}^{f -1}}) - (\frac{P_1V_1}{nR}\frac{V_{1}^{f-1}}{V_{3}^{f -1}} - \frac{P_1V_3})}{f(\frac{P_1V_3} - \frac{P_3V_3}{nR}\frac{V_{3}^{f-1}}{V_{1}^{f -1}})}

Okay so far?
 
  • #34
TFM said:
I
\frac{(f(\frac{P_1V_3} - \frac{P_3V_3}{nR}\frac{V_{3}^{f-1}}{V_{1}^{f -1}}) - (\frac{P_1V_1}{nR}\frac{V_{1}^{f-1}}{V_{3}^{f -1}} - \frac{P_1V_3})}{f(\frac{P_1V_3} - \frac{P_3V_3}{nR}\frac{V_{3}^{f-1}}{V_{1}^{f -1}})}

Okay so far?
Notice that:

\eta = \frac{(\gamma(T_2-T_1) - (T_3 - T_2)}{\gamma(T_2-T_1)}

reduces to:

\eta = 1 - \frac{1}{\gamma}\frac{(T_3 - T_2)}{(T_2-T_1)}

So you just have to show that:

\frac{(T_3 - T_2)}{(T_2-T_1)} = \frac{(1-\frac{P_3}{P_1})}{(1-\frac{V_3}{V_1})}

AM
 
  • #35
Andrew Mason said:
Notice that:

\eta = \frac{(\gamma(T_2-T_1) - (T_3 - T_2)}{\gamma(T_2-T_1)}

reduces to:

\eta = 1 - \frac{1}{\gamma}\frac{(T_3 - T_2)}{(T_2-T_1)}

I see that now.

\eta = \frac{(\gamma(T_2-T_1) - (T_3 - T_2)}{\gamma(T_2-T_1)}

is the same as:

\eta = \frac{(\gamma(T_2-T_1)}{\gamma(T_2-T_1)} - \frac{(T_3 - T_2)}{\gamma(T_2-T_1)}

Which cancels down to:

\eta = 1 - \frac{1}{\gamma}\frac{(T_3 - T_2)}{(T_2-T_1)}

Okay so:

\frac{(T_3 - T_2)}{(T_2-T_1)}

T_1= \frac{P_3V_3}{nR}\frac{V_{3}^{f-1}}{V_{1}^{f -1}}

T_2 = \frac{P_1V_3}{nR}

T_3 = \frac{P_1V_1}{nR}\frac{V_{1}^{f-1}}{V_{3}^{f -1}}

So:

\frac{(\frac{P_1V_1}{nR}\frac{V_{1}^{f-1}}{V_{3}^{f -1}} - \frac{P_1V_3}{nR})}{(\frac{P_1V_3}{nR} -\frac{P_3V_3}{nR}\frac{V_{3}^{f-1}}{V_{1}^{f -1}})}

Factorise out:

\frac{(\frac{P_1V_1}{nR}\frac{V_{1}^{f-1}}{V_{3}^{f -1}} - \frac{P_1V_3}{nR})}{\frac{V_3}{nR}(P_1 - P_3 \frac{V_3^{\gamma - 1}}{v_1^{\gamma - 1}})}

and:

\frac{\frac{p_1}{nR}(v_1\frac{v_1^{\gamma - 1}}{v_3^{\gamma - 1}} - V_3)}{\frac{V_3}{nR}(P_1 - P_3 \frac{V_3^{\gamma - 1}}{v_1^{\gamma - 1}})}


Does this look okay so far?
 
  • #36
I am also assuming that the nR can cancel, so:

P_1(v_1\frac{v_1^{\gamma - 1}}{v_3^{\gamma - 1}} - V_3)}{V_3(P_1 - P_3 \frac{V_3^{\gamma - 1}}{v_1^{\gamma - 1}})}

Does this look right?
 
  • #37
To be honest I have lost track. However, it would be desirable to simplify the term
v1 v1γ-1
The idea is, once you have an expression for the efficiency, for you to manipulate and simplify it algebraically and get

<br /> e = 1 - \frac{1}{\gamma}\left(\frac{1 - \frac{p_3}{p_1}}{1 - \frac{v_1}{v_3}}\right) <br />​

which, as I had mentioned earlier, has a typo corrected from what was given in Post #1 (v1/v3 instead of v3/v1).
 
  • #38
Oops, my Latex went a bit wrong. it should have been:

\frac{P_1(v_1\frac{v_1^{\gamma - 1}}{v_3^{\gamma - 1}} - V_3)}{V_3(P_1 - P_3 \frac{V_3^{\gamma - 1}}{v_1^{\gamma - 1}})}
 

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