What is the exact value of b when arg z = 60 degrees?

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The problem involves finding the exact value of a real, positive variable \( b \) in the expression \( z = (b+i)^2 \) given that the argument of \( z \) is 60 degrees. The context is within complex numbers and their properties, particularly focusing on the argument and tangent functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss expanding the expression for \( z \) and relate the argument to the tangent function. There is confusion regarding the use of variables and the exact values of trigonometric functions, particularly the tangent of 60 degrees.

Discussion Status

The discussion has seen attempts to derive a polynomial equation from the problem setup. Some participants have raised questions about the use of approximate versus exact values for trigonometric functions, and there is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these choices on the solution.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the use of the same variable for different purposes, which may affect clarity in the discussion. Additionally, participants are considering the implications of using approximate values versus exact values in their calculations.

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Homework Statement



Given that [tex]z=(b+i)^2[/tex] where b is real and positive, find the exact value of b when arg z = 60 degrees.

Homework Equations


z=a+bi
[tex]arg z=arg tan \frac {b}{a}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



so I expanded my [tex]z=(b+i)^{2}[/tex] so its
[tex]z=b^{2}-1+2bi[/tex]

On other terms (please note the b here equals 2b, as it is the imaginary part, not the actual b)
so [tex]tan^{-1}\frac {b}{a}=60[/tex]

[tex]tan60=\frac {b}{a}[/tex]

[tex]atan60=b[/tex]

**Dont get confused,
[tex]a=b^{2}-1[/tex]

[tex]b=2b[/tex]

Therefore, [tex](b^{2}-1)tan60=2b[/tex]

Here is where I am sort of confused, what now?
 
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It's good practice not to use the same letter for different purposes. We have 26 letters, two cases, and several styles to use... and that's just with one alphabet!


Anyways, you have a polynomial equation in one variable, don't you? I don't understand why you're stuck. (And don't you know the exact value of the tangent of 60 degrees?)
 
Hurkyl said:
It's good practice not to use the same letter for different purposes. We have 26 letters, two cases, and several styles to use... and that's just with one alphabet!Anyways, you have a polynomial equation in one variable, don't you? I don't understand why you're stuck. (And don't you know the exact value of the tangent of 60 degrees?)

Ack, your right, stupid me :P.
So, 1.73...b^2-2b-1.73..=0
b=1.732
b=-0.577

I plotted both in, -0.577 doesn't work.
So my final answer, b=1.732
 
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Notice that Hurkyl said "don't you know the exact value of the tangent of 60 degrees?"

Is there a reason for using the approximate value 1.732, rather than the exact value [itex]\sqrt{3}/2[/itex]?

Your problem did say "find the exact value of b."
 
I think you'll find the exact value of tan 60 is sqrt(3) not sqrt(3)/2
 
Thanks. Went with sin(60) instead of tan(60).
 

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