What is the Fraction of Energy Lost by an Electron in Elastic Scattering?

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The problem involves an electron colliding elastically with a stationary particle of mass M and scattering at an angle θ. The goal is to derive the fraction of energy lost by the electron during this process.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conservation of energy and momentum equations relevant to the problem. The original poster attempts to manipulate these equations to find a relationship between the initial and final energies of the electron. Some participants suggest that the problem may relate to Compton scattering, prompting a consideration of similar derivations. There is also a focus on the algebraic manipulation needed to isolate variables.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different algebraic approaches to derive the desired expression. There is recognition that the original poster's struggles may stem from algebra rather than a misunderstanding of the physics involved. Guidance has been offered to solve for the final energy in terms of the initial energy and other variables.

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Participants note the complexity of the algebra involved and the potential for confusion due to the number of variables present in the equations. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify relationships between the energies involved.

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Homework Statement


An electron collides with a particle with mass M at rest and scatters elastically through an angle θ (assume electron mass negligible).
Show that the fraction of energy lost by the e- is:

(Ee - Ee')/Ee = 1/[1+ Mc2/Ee(1-cosθ)]

Homework Equations


Conservation of Energy: Ee + Mc2 = Ee' + EM
Conservation of momentum: Pe = Pe' + PM

E2 = P2c2 + M2c4

or for electron since mass negligible, E=Pc

Previous parts of the questions required the rearrangements of these to get:
PM2 = 1/c2[Ee2 +Ee'2 - 2EeEe'cosθ]

The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried to solve this so many times but the closest I can get is:

(Ee - Ee')/Ee = Ee'(1-cosθ)/Mc2

I don't know if I'm missing some kind of relation I can use to sub in Ee' for Ee because in the final expression I'm trying to get there seems to be way more Ee's than I would expect.

I've also tried working backwards to find out what I'm missing from the answer but I just don't see it.

I think I have tunnel vision from trying this so often and can't see another way, so thank you in advance for any help, it's greatly appreciated!
 
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Your situation is equivalent to Compton scattering (just with different particles), you should find derivations for this in textbooks and websites.
 
Poirot said:
I've tried to solve this so many times but the closest I can get is:

(Ee - Ee')/Ee = Ee'(1-cosθ)/Mc2

I don't know if I'm missing some kind of relation I can use to sub in Ee' for Ee because in the final expression I'm trying to get there seems to be way more Ee's than I would expect.

I've also tried working backwards to find out what I'm missing from the answer but I just don't see it.

I think I have tunnel vision from trying this so often and can't see another way, so thank you in advance for any help, it's greatly appreciated!
You're not missing any physics here. It's just algebra. Starting from the expression you got, solve for ##E_e'## in terms of ##E_e##, ##\theta##, and ##M##. Then plug the result into ##(E_e-E'_e)/E_e## and simplify.
 
I hope this is helpful.
 

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