What is the Integral of a Volume?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of dimensionality in geometry, specifically the relationship between length, area, volume, and what follows in higher dimensions. Participants explore the terminology and mathematical implications of extending these concepts into four or more dimensions.

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  • Brian Jester questions what comes after volume in the sequence of dimensional measures and suggests "4th dimensional volume" as a possibility.
  • Some participants propose the term "hypervolume" for the fourth dimension and beyond, indicating a continuation of the pattern into higher dimensions.
  • One participant argues that the phrase "integral of a volume" is incorrect, stating that integration applies to functions rather than geometric quantities, and emphasizes that there is no mathematical concept beyond volume in three-dimensional geometry.
  • Another participant mentions the concept of "m-volume" or "m-measure" in n-dimensional spaces, where different dimensions correspond to different measures (e.g., length as "1-volume").
  • There is a clarification that terms like "speed," "acceleration," "jerk," and "jounce" belong to physics rather than mathematics.

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Participants express differing views on the terminology and mathematical implications of extending dimensional concepts. There is no consensus on the correct terminology or the validity of the phrase "integral of a volume."

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Some limitations include the ambiguity in definitions of higher-dimensional measures and the lack of clarity regarding the mathematical treatment of geometric quantities in integration.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring advanced geometry, dimensional analysis, and the mathematical foundations of physical concepts.

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We know the relationship of:

speed > acceleration > Jerk > Jounce (or snap)

What is the similar relation ship of:

length > area > volume > ?

My question is: what comes after volume in this pattern?

-4th dimensional volume?

Also how do I refer to this?

-The integral of volume?

Thank you for your consideration,

Brian Jester
 
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Talking of "length", "area" , "volume" means that we are in the field of geometry, respectively in 1, 2, 3 dimensions spaces. So, extending the concept implies to go to the 4th dimension and the corresponding name is "hypervolume", in fact 4D.hypervolume. Then we have 5-D.hypervolume, ..., n-D.hypervolume.
The formulas corresponding to hyper-sphere, hyper-cone, hyper-sphreical cap in n-dimensions spaces are available in the paper "Le problème de l'hyper-chèvre" :
http://www.scribd.com/JJacquelin/documents
 
The "integral of a volume" doesn't mean anything. You integrate functions, not geometric quantities. But that just says that "integral" is the wrong word.

In three dimensional geometry there is nothing "beyond" volume. Mathematically, you can, however, talk about n-dimensional spaces for any integer n. In that case, for any [itex]m\le n[/itex], we can talk about the "m-volume" or "m-measure". "Length" is "1-volume" or "1-measure", "area" is "2-volume" or "2-measure", etc.

By the way, "speed > acceleration > Jerk > Jounce (or snap)" are physics terms, not mathematics.
 
JJacquelin,

Thank you for the explanation, after revisiting the hypercube, I can conceptualize a hyper volume.

Brian Jester
 

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