What is the K value for a pipe transition between two different diameters?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the loss coefficient (K value) for a transition between two pipes of different diameters, specifically between 5 cm and 3 cm diameter pipes. Participants are exploring how to determine this coefficient, which is often referenced in tables or textbooks.

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  • Participants discuss the typical reliance on tables for K values and question how to calculate the loss coefficient directly. There are references to the proportionality of K-factors to the fourth power of the diameter, and some participants suggest looking up equations or values in textbooks. Others express uncertainty about the information provided in their textbooks regarding transitions between different diameters.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights about K-factors and their relationships. Some guidance has been offered regarding the proportionality of K-factors to diameter, but there is no explicit consensus on the calculation method or the specific values to use.

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Some participants mention that their textbooks do not provide clear information on K values for transitions between pipes of different diameters, leading to questions about the available geometries for which K values are given.

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Usually we are given a table, but how do we calculate the loss coefficient between 2 different pipes with different diameters? In this case, between the 5 and the 3 cm^2 pipes?
 
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ipocoyo said:

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Usually we are given a table, but how do we calculate the loss coefficient between 2 different pipes with different diameters? In this case, between the 5 and the 3 cm^2 pipes?
The K-factors for a given diameter of pipe are proportional to the fourth power of that diameter, as described in this article:

http://www.pipeflowcalculations.com/pipe-valve-fitting-flow/flow-in-valves-fittings.php

The usual method is to express the K-factors or equivalents for the system in terms of one common pipe size.
 
You should be able to look up the equation for the loss coefficient for the transition between two pipes of different diameter. Do you not have a textbook?
 
Chestermiller said:
You should be able to look up the equation for the loss coefficient for the transition between two pipes of different diameter. Do you not have a textbook?

My textbook just says to refer to appendix for K values. It doesn't say anything between the transition of 2 different pipes with different diameters.
 
ipocoyo said:
So the answer between the transition of two pipes is (0.03/0/05)^4 ?

The K-factor for each length of straight pipe is f (L/D). Call one K-factor K-3 for the 3-cm. pipe and the other K5 for the 5-cm. pipe.

Now, according to the relation

##\frac{K_a}{K_b}=(\frac{d_a}{d_b})^4##

If you make Ka = K3, then Kb becomes K5. Putting the value of the K-factor for the 5-cm. straight pipe into the relation will give you the equivalent K-factor as if the 5-cm. pipe was actually 3-cm. pipe.
 
ipocoyo said:
My textbook just says to refer to appendix for K values. It doesn't say anything between the transition of 2 different pipes with different diameters.
What geometries does it give K values for?
 

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