What is the limit for using the equation for deflection when m>M?

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The equation for deflection is only valid when m is less than M because the sine of an angle cannot exceed 1, making the equation undefined for m greater than M. When m exceeds M, the resulting calculations lead to imaginary values for v1, indicating that a maximum deflection angle cannot exist. The discussion highlights the importance of this restriction in the context of the problem. Additionally, there is some confusion regarding the method for finding extremum values for θ and v1, but the key point remains that the condition m<M is essential for the validity of the deflection equation. Understanding these constraints is crucial for solving related problems accurately.
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Homework Statement



Hey, I was studying this problem and solution (by Rudy Arthur):

http://www.feynmanlectures.info/solutions/maximum_angle_deflection_sol_1.pdf

What I wasn't sure was why this solution only works for m<M. At which point did we restrict ourselves to m<M. How about when m>M?

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sin(theta) = m/M

The Attempt at a Solution



Clearly if m>M, the equation for deflection is undefined.

Thank you!
 
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Your question has the answer in itself!
The reason, the solution is correct only for m<M is because the value of sine of an angle cannot be greater than 1, as you have already said. Even if you do not take m<M, after you reach the equation 6, and you try to determine its extremal value, the expression 7 clearly indicated why you can't take m>M, if you do or your v1 will turn out to have an imaginary value, which is not possible!

It itself tells you that in this case for a maximum deflection angle of deflection to exist the value of m has to be less than M.
 
Hi Markus! :smile:

(have a theta: θ :wink:)

I don't understand the logic behind finding an extremum for θ from dθ/dv1 = 0 …

θ and v1 reach an extremum at the same time (I think), so he might as well say dv1/dθ = 0. :confused:
 
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Thanks for your responses. I understand.
 
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