What is the Mass of the Stone and Tension in the Wire?

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The problem involves a stone suspended from a wire wrapped around a pulley, with the goal of determining the mass of the stone and the tension in the wire. The scenario includes a uniform disk pulley with a specified mass and radius, and the stone's motion is described by its distance traveled over a time interval.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss various approaches to relate the stone's motion to the pulley dynamics, including the application of kinematics and torque concepts. Some question the assumptions made regarding energy conservation and the relationship between angular and linear velocities.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with participants providing different perspectives on the equations involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between torque, tension, and acceleration, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or final calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding the application of the work-energy theorem and the conditions under which energy conservation can be applied, particularly in relation to torque. There is also mention of the need for clarity on the final angular velocity and its connection to the stone's motion.

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Homework Statement



A stone is suspended from the free end of a wire that is wrapped around the outer rim of a pulley, as shown in the figure (see the figure (Figure 1) ). The pulley is a uniform disk with mass 11.8kg and radius 55.0cm and turns on frictionless bearings. You measure that the stone travels a distance 12.7m during a time interval of 2.80s starting from rest.

Find the mass of the stone.

Find the tension in the wire.

Figure 1

Homework Equations



Work Kinetic Energy Theorem
Kinematics
Torque(maybe?)

The Attempt at a Solution



a_{stone}=\frac{2\Delta X}{t^2}=3.24
T=m_{stone}g-m_{stone?}a
\Delta K = W_{wheel} + W_g=0
\Delta K = \frac{I\omega_f^2}{2}+W_g
\omega = \alpha t ??

And that's where I got stuck, I don't know how to derive the final angular velocity

Take 2:

Okay so after going back to drawing board my thinking is this: the stone acts as a torque on the wheel so

\tau=rFsin\theta=Tr=\frac{1}{2}*M_{wheel}r^2\alpha

T=\frac{M_{wheel}r\alpha}{2}

T=mg-ma=>\frac{M_{wheel}r\alpha}{2}=m(g-a)

a=a_t=\alpha r => \alpha = a/r

\frac{M_{wheel}a}{2(g-a)}=m

solve for m

That ended up being the right answer
 
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You left out the part of the question that asks a question. What are you trying to calculate?
 
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The first two lines of your solution look right to me. The third line doesn't. Why would ΔK be zero? The final angular velocity is related to the final speed by the no slip condition v=ωR.
 
Conservation of energy? I wasn't sure if I could apply that due to the torque but it's the only way I could think of to figure out mass.

Edit:

Okay so after going back to drawing board my thinking is this: the stone acts as a torque on the wheel so

\tau=Tr=\frac{1}{2}*M_{wheel}r^2\alpha

T=\frac{M_{wheel}r\alpha}{2}

T=mg-ma=>\frac{M_{wheel}r\alpha}{2}=m(g-a)

a=a_t=\alpha r => \alpha = a/r

\frac{M_{wheel}a}{2(g-a)}=m

solve for m

That ended up being the right answer
 
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