What is the orgin of Gauss' law?

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The discussion revolves around the origins of Gauss' law, exploring whether it was derived from theoretical frameworks or discovered through experimental means. Participants delve into historical context, the contributions of various physicists, and the interplay between theory and experiment in the formulation of the law.

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  • Some participants suggest that Gauss' law originated from both experimental and theoretical foundations, particularly referencing Coulomb's law and the application of Gauss's theorem.
  • Others argue that the law was formulated historically by Joseph-Louis Lagrange and Carl Friedrich Gauss, emphasizing the theoretical aspect over experimental measurement.
  • A participant mentions an article by Spencer Ross claiming that J. Priestly was the originator of Gauss' law, indicating a potential alternative historical perspective.
  • There is a request for further details regarding the article mentioned, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the availability of a full paper versus an abstract.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the origins of Gauss' law, with multiple competing views presented regarding its derivation and historical attribution.

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Participants note the difficulty in establishing a clear historical timeline and the ambiguity in categorizing the derivation as either experimental or theoretical.

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Was Gauss' law originally derived from theory or discovered by experiment?
 
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Experiment, otherwise known as Coulomb's law.
 
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The answer is both theory and experiment:

It all starts with the experimental discovery of Coulomb's law but then it requires some mathematical processing in which we use Gauss's theorem (which is a theorem of vector calculus more widely known as divergence theorem) to show that if ##\vec{E}## is the field we get by integrating Coulomb's law that is ##\vec{E}=\int \frac{\vec{r}-\vec{r'}}{|\vec{r}-\vec{r'}|^3}\rho(\vec{r'})d^3\vec{r'}## then it satisfies $$\oint_{A} \vec{E}\cdot \vec{dA}=\frac{q_{enclosed}}{\epsilon_0}$$ for any closed surface A.

For more details check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauss's_law#Relation_to_Coulomb's_law

After that we generalize this result to include not only electrostatic E-field but time-varying (dynamic)E-field.
 
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"Was Gauss' law originally derived from theory or discovered by experiment?"
I take your question to be about history, where it is difficult to be sure.

Wikipedia says:
"The (Gauss) law was first[1] formulated by Joseph-Louis Lagrange in 1773,[2] followed by Carl Friedrich Gauss in 1813,[3] both in the context of the attraction of ellipsoids."

This suggests its derivation was more about any 1/r^2 force. It's a matter of taste whether that is called 'experiment' or 'theory'. I am pretty sure that Gauss's law in its integral form was derived without recourse to experimental measurement of E_normal around a closed surface.

The dates overlap Coulomb:

"The quantity of electrostatic force between stationary charges is always described by Coulomb's law.[4] The law was first published in 1785 by French physicist Charles-Augustin de Coulomb."

One interesting note: Almost no named law is named for its first formulator. Next time, be second.
 
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Hi, I have recently discovered this article:
"The Tortured History of Gauss's Law"
of Spencer Ross,
that asserts the origin of Gauss law is due to J.Priestly (1733-1804).
Ssnow
 
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Ssnow said:
Hi, I have recently discovered this article:
"The Tortured History of Gauss's Law"
of Spencer Ross,
that asserts the origin of Gauss law is due to J.Priestly (1733-1804).
Ssnow
thanks but all I see is an aps meeting abtract, is there a paper?
 
feynman1 said:
thanks but all I see is an aps meeting abtract, is there a paper?
Hi, I asked directly to the author, I am waiting ...
Ssnow
 
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Ssnow said:
Hi, I asked directly to the author, I am waiting ...
Ssnow
look forward to it!
 
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