What is the ph of .035M acetic acid ?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the pH of 0.01 M NaOH and 0.035 M acetic acid. NaOH fully dissociates, making it straightforward to determine that the pH is 12, as the concentration of hydroxide ions is 0.01 M. For acetic acid, which does not fully dissociate, the dissociation constant is provided as 1.8 x 10^-5. The calculation involves setting up an equilibrium expression and solving for the concentration of hydrogen ions, resulting in a pH of approximately 3.1. The conversation also touches on solving quadratic equations for varying acid concentrations and suggests using successive approximations to simplify calculations. The importance of understanding the mathematical relationships in acid-base chemistry is emphasized, with encouragement for further study.
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can someone give me some insight to solve this
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what is the ph of .01 Naoh ?
and what is the ph of .035M acetic acid ?
 
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Hello,
The first question can easily be solved, since NaOH fully dissociates. But I can not say the same for acetic acid, you'll need to give the dissociation constant for it. I remember that it is 1,8*10^{-5} mol^2L^{-2}, and will solve by using this value. If I'm mistaken, please replace it with the correct one.

Firstly, let's look at NaOH:

\underbrace{NaOH} \rightarrow \underbrace{Na^+} + \underbrace{OH^-}
\overbrace{0,01-x} \rightarrow \overbrace{x} + \overbrace{x}

Since dissociation constant for NaOH is extremely big, we never need to calculate the {0,01-x}; it has a very very close value to 0,01. So we can easily assume that the [OH^-] is 0,01, the same goes for [Na^+].

As pH is the negative logarithm of [H^+] or \frac{10^{-14}}{[OH^-]}, we'll use whichever is suitable. Since we know the hydroxide concentration, let's use this:

pH=-\log(\frac{10^{-14}}{0,01})=12.

For acetic acid, we'll consider the x values as it is not dissociated 100% in water.

\underbrace{CH_3COOH} \rightarrow {CH_3COO^-}+{H^+}
\overbrace{(0,035-x)}\rightarrow

We are given that \frac{x^2}{(0,035-x)}=1,8*10^{-5}. Then it's easy to find x, either by omitting it or by solving a two-unknown equation with \Delta=b^2-4ac and x_1=\frac{-b-\sqrt{\Delta}}{2a} and x_2=\frac{-b+\sqrt{\Delta}}{2a}. Note that only one root gives a valid value, just omit the other.

I will not consider x, if you really wonder, you may not omit it and solve the two-unknown equation. When we omit it, we'll find that x=\sqrt{0,035*1,8*10^{-5}}=7,94*10^{-4}, hence we find the pH to be 3,1.

Regards,
chem_tr
 
thank chem_tr I have one more question :

Solve the quadratic equation for the more general case where the total concentration of acid is:


a. ((Ao = (HA) + (A-) ) has any value Ao.
b. One can avoid solution of the quadratic equation by using a method of successive approximations, starting with x2 =AoKa.
Explain how this would be done.

thanks again for the help earlier
 
Hello,

I will not be as "helpful" as I did before, since it may not help you as I intended; I don't want to be harmful for your education. I decided to show you the way instead, that's better for you I think.

The total is the initial concentration of the acid. So you disregard how much of it is ionized; just give the initial concentration, and it is over. It is your task to show it mathematically.

If H+ and A- are said to be ionized as much as x, then you may easily write the equilibrium constant using C0, Ka, and x2, along with my earlier posts of course :smile:

Best wishes and have a good study,
chem_tr
 
THANK YOU CHEM_tr

thanks soooooooooooooooooooooooo much for your help
you are not ruining my education
I don't have a lot of support here at the school I am attending at the only tutor is a bit "special " i mean slow.
thanks again
 
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