What is the Principia Mathematica About and Is There a Tutorial on the Theory?

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The discussion centers around Isaac Newton's "Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica," exploring its content, historical significance, and whether it serves as a useful resource for learning. Participants express varying opinions on the accessibility and educational value of the text.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants provide a brief historical context, noting that the "Principia" was published in 1687 and includes Newton's laws of motion and gravitational equations.
  • One participant suggests that the book is primarily of historical interest and that its content is better explained in modern textbooks.
  • Another participant argues that reading classic texts like the "Principia" can be beneficial, even if challenging, and may offer insights beyond contemporary calculus texts.
  • Concerns are raised about the difficulty of the text, as it lacks calculus and uses geometric explanations that may be hard to relate to modern interpretations.
  • A suggestion is made to explore Spivak's "Elementary Physics from a Mathematician's Viewpoint" for a more accessible introduction to Newton's ideas, while acknowledging that it simplifies the original work.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the educational value of the "Principia." While some believe it is worthwhile for those with a strong background in the subject, others caution that it may not be suitable for novices. There is no consensus on whether the text is a useful learning tool.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the "Principia" is written in a style that may be difficult for modern readers, lacking the calculus framework and using archaic language, which could hinder understanding for those unfamiliar with the historical context.

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principia mathematica is proposed by Sir Isaac Newton. Actually, what is it about, is there any tutorial on the theory?
 
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"Principia Mathematica" or, more precisely "Philosophae Naturalis Principia Mathematica", "Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy", was a book written by Newton and published in 1726. It included Newton's laws of motion and the first statement of his gravitational equation.
 
HallsofIvy said:
"Principia Mathematica" or, more precisely "Philosophae Naturalis Principia Mathematica", "Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy", was a book written by Newton and published in 1726. It included Newton's laws of motion and the first statement of his gravitational equation.

It was published the 5th of July, 1687.

I repeat:
1687
 
You are right. My eyes must have crossed when I was reading the date!
 
what is there in this book(mathematical principles of natural philosophy)?
 
I just call it Principia or Philosophae Naturalis Principia Mathematica since I confuse it with the 'other' Principia Mathematica of Russel and Whitehead!

Newton forwards some basics of scientific thinking and builds upon these philosophically while he presents his mathematical work on dynamics and such.
 
can someone explain some of the content or the theory inside this book?
i was wanted to know whether i can learn something through this book
 
mathsTKK said:
can someone explain some of the content or the theory inside this book?
Already done by some others.
i was wanted to know whether i can learn something through this book
No.
Whatever is of value (a lot) in that book is better explained by modern textbooks.
Newton's text is of interest only to those who already know, and understand, the issues involved, and who are therefore in a position to appreciate the strength, weaknesses, awkwardnesses, but also the inventiveness of that seminal work.

It is therefore "only" of historical interest.
 
i may be wrong, but it seems always useful to me to read the works of genius. it would probably be more helpful than some of the stuff in the calc texts we use in my class. anyway i would not discourage anyone from looking into a great classic text.
 
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Dover published a nice facsimilie + translation edition.
It is very hard to follow - there is no calculus, everything is explained in geometry which together with the slightly archaic language make it difficult to relate to modern versions of the laws.
Remember this was long before Descartes so there is no y=x+... or even equations as we would know them, everything is described in words and ratios.
 
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mathwonk said:
i may be wrong, but it seems always useful to me to read the works of genius.
Sure. Because you are in a position to appreciate the genius of Newton.
A freshman might not be there.
it would probably be more helpful than some of the stuff in the calc texts we use in my class.
Hmm..demonstration of elliptical orbits using no calculus at all, but rather nasty, difficult (but brilliantly applied) Euclidean geometry.
I disagree on this.
anyway i would not discourage anyone from looking into a great classic text.
A couple of years from now, sure, but for a novice? Absolutely not.
 
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I second what mgb_phys and arildno have said.

However, if you want to have a taste of Newtons Principia you could have a look at the first three lectures (especially the 3rd one, "How Newton Analyzed Planetary Motion", it is full of very scary geometry !) of Spivaks "Elementary Physics from a Mathematicians Viewpoint"

http://www.math.uga.edu/~shifrin/Spivak_physics.pdf (ca. 800 kByte)

Note, however, that Spivak tries in a modern and more or less gentle way to explain what Newton said. The original stuff in the Principia is much more brutal and scary (that's what I heard, I'd never dare to touch the thing myself...)
 
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