What is the reaction force between the ring and the hoop?

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The discussion revolves around the reaction force between a ring and a hoop in a physics context, specifically exploring the relationships involving forces and angles in a dynamic system.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are discussing the normal force N as the reaction force and examining equations related to forces acting on the system. Questions arise regarding the validity of expressions for N and the implications of certain equations, particularly in relation to the angle θ and the conditions under which cosθ can exceed 1.

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Several participants have confirmed the interpretation of the reaction force as the normal force N and have engaged in verifying the equations presented. There is an ongoing examination of the implications of the derived equations, particularly regarding the physical constraints of the system.

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Participants are noting potential issues with the derived equations, specifically the condition that cosθ cannot exceed 1, which raises questions about the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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A circular hoop rotates with uniform angular velocity w about a vertical diameter AOB, O being the center. A smooth ring P of mass m can slide on the hoop. If θ be the angle of inclination of the radius OP to the vertical when the ring is in equilibrium with respect to the hoop, (a) find cos θ in terms of the radius of the hoop r, angular velocity w and g. (b) Find the reaction force between the ring and the hoop.
Relevant Equations
N cos θ=mg
N sin θ=mrw^2 sin θ
cos θ=g/rw^2
a.)N cos θ=mg
N sin θ=mrw^2 sin θ
cos θ=g/rw^2

b.) My question is reaction force =N ? or =F=mg tanθ ?
If it is N then N=mg cosθ =mg^2/r w^2 or N=mg/cosθ =mrw^2 ?
Thank you
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I would interpret "the reaction force between the ring and the hoop" to be the normal force N.

Your answer to (a) looks good.
 
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TSny said:
I would interpret "the reaction force between the ring and the hoop" to be the normal force N.

Your answer to (a) looks good.
Thank you! Then N=mg cosθ =mg^2/r w^2 ?
 
Olivia Lam said:
Thank you! Then N=mg cosθ =mg^2/r w^2 ?
Check your work here. Note that you had the correct equation Ncosθ = mg in your first post.

Also, there is something interesting about the result for part (a): cosθ = g/(ω2r).
cosθ cannot be larger than 1. But the right hand side g/(ω2r) can be larger than 1 if ω is small enough. What do you conclude from this?
 

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