What is the Sum of Lengths for a Regular n-gon Inscribed in a Unit Circle?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the sum of lengths of all sides and diagonals of a regular n-gon inscribed in a unit circle, denoted as \( S_n \). Participants explore both the exact formulation of \( S_n \) and the limit of the ratio \( \frac{S_n}{n^2} \) as \( n \) approaches infinity, engaging in mathematical reasoning and derivations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines \( S_n \) as the sum of lengths of all sides and diagonals of the n-gon and provides a formula involving sine functions and complex exponentials.
  • Another participant reiterates the same derivation for \( S_n \), emphasizing the counting of distances between vertices and the use of geometric series.
  • Both participants suggest that the limit \( \lim_{{n}\to{\infty}}\frac{S_n}{n^2} \) can be approximated using the power series expansions of sine and cosine functions, leading to a proposed value of \( \frac{2}{\pi} \).
  • A later post raises a minor point about the inclusion of an extra term in the summation, noting that it evaluates to zero, which some participants agree is inconsequential.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There appears to be no explicit disagreement on the derivation of \( S_n \) or the limit, as participants present similar calculations. However, the discussion does not reach a consensus on the implications of the extra term mentioned in the summation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of sine and cosine functions as \( n \) approaches infinity, and the reliance on power series expansions may introduce limitations in the accuracy of the approximations used.

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Let $S_n$ be the sum of lengths of all the sides and all the diagonals of a regular $n$-gon inscribed in a unit circle.

(a). Find $S_n$.

(b). Find $$\lim_{{n}\to{\infty}}\frac{S_n}{n^2}$$
 
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$$\lim_{{n}\to{\infty}}\frac{S_n}{n^2}=0$$

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(a). Find $S_n$.

[sp]With the vertices at the points $e^{2\pi ij/n}$ on the unit circle, the distance between $e^{2\pi ij/n}$ and $e^{2\pi ik/n}$ is $$ \begin{aligned} \bigl| e^{2\pi ij/n} - e^{2\pi ik/n} \bigr| &= \sqrt{(e^{2\pi ij/n} - e^{2\pi ik/n}) (e^{-2\pi ij/n} - e^{-2\pi ik/n})} \\ &= \sqrt{2 - 2\cos(2\pi(j-k)/n)} \\&= 2\sin(|j-k|\pi/n), \end{aligned}$$ (the mod signs coming from the fact that we want the positive square root). If we sum that for $j$ and $k$ going from $1$ to $n$ then we will count each diagonal twice (once starting from the $e^{2\pi ij/n}$ end and once from the $e^{2\pi ik/n}$ end).

Therefore $$S_n = \sum_{j=1}^n\sum_{k=1}^n \sin(|j-k|\pi/n).$$ For each fixed $j$, the sum over $k$ will include each of the numbers $\sin\frac {r\pi}n \ (1\leqslant r \leqslant n)$ exactly once. Therefore $$S_n = n\sum_{r=1}^n \sin(r\pi/n) = n\, \text{im} \sum_{r=1}^n e^{ir\pi/n} = n\,\text{im} \frac2{1-e^{ir\pi/n}},$$(geometric series). Take the imaginary part to get $$S_n = \text{im}\,\frac{2n(1-e^{-ir\pi/n})}{(1-e^{ir\pi/n})(1-e^{-ir\pi/n})} = \frac{n\sin(\pi/n)}{1 - \cos(\pi/n)}.$$
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(b). Find $$\lim_{{n}\to{\infty}}\frac{S_n}{n^2}$$

[sp]Do this the lazy way, replacing $\sin(\pi/n)$ and $\cos(\pi/n)$ by the start of their power series: $$\frac{S_n}{n^2} \approx \frac{n(\pi/n)}{n^2\bigl(\frac{\pi^2}{2n^2} \bigr)} = \frac2\pi.$$
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greg1313 said:
$$\lim_{{n}\to{\infty}}\frac{S_n}{n^2}=0$$

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Hi, greg1313!(Wave)

In fact $$\lim_{{n}\to{\infty}}\frac{S_n}{n^2} > 0$$
Please cf. Opalg´s solution.
 
Opalg said:
(a). Find $S_n$.

[sp]With the vertices at the points $e^{2\pi ij/n}$ on the unit circle, the distance between $e^{2\pi ij/n}$ and $e^{2\pi ik/n}$ is $$ \begin{aligned} \bigl| e^{2\pi ij/n} - e^{2\pi ik/n} \bigr| &= \sqrt{(e^{2\pi ij/n} - e^{2\pi ik/n}) (e^{-2\pi ij/n} - e^{-2\pi ik/n})} \\ &= \sqrt{2 - 2\cos(2\pi(j-k)/n)} \\&= 2\sin(|j-k|\pi/n), \end{aligned}$$ (the mod signs coming from the fact that we want the positive square root). If we sum that for $j$ and $k$ going from $1$ to $n$ then we will count each diagonal twice (once starting from the $e^{2\pi ij/n}$ end and once from the $e^{2\pi ik/n}$ end).

Therefore $$S_n = \sum_{j=1}^n\sum_{k=1}^n \sin(|j-k|\pi/n).$$ For each fixed $j$, the sum over $k$ will include each of the numbers $\sin\frac {r\pi}n \ (1\leqslant r \leqslant n)$ exactly once. Therefore $$S_n = n\sum_{r=1}^n \sin(r\pi/n) = n\, \text{im} \sum_{r=1}^n e^{ir\pi/n} = n\,\text{im} \frac2{1-e^{ir\pi/n}},$$(geometric series). Take the imaginary part to get $$S_n = \text{im}\,\frac{2n(1-e^{-ir\pi/n})}{(1-e^{ir\pi/n})(1-e^{-ir\pi/n})} = \frac{n\sin(\pi/n)}{1 - \cos(\pi/n)}.$$
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(b). Find $$\lim_{{n}\to{\infty}}\frac{S_n}{n^2}$$

[sp]Do this the lazy way, replacing $\sin(\pi/n)$ and $\cos(\pi/n)$ by the start of their power series: $$\frac{S_n}{n^2} \approx \frac{n(\pi/n)}{n^2\bigl(\frac{\pi^2}{2n^2} \bigr)} = \frac2\pi.$$
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Thankyou, Opalg, for an elegant solution!(Cool)

A small question:

Concerning the index $r$: Shouldn´t $r$ have the maximum value $n-1$ and not $n$??
 
lfdahl said:
A small question:

Concerning the index $r$: Shouldn´t $r$ have the maximum value $n-1$ and not $n$??
[sp]It doesn't really matter, because the extra term when $r=n$ is $\sin(n\pi/n) = \sin\pi = 0$. (Bigsmile)
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Opalg said:
[sp]It doesn't really matter, because the extra term when $r=n$ is $\sin(n\pi/n) = \sin\pi = 0$. (Bigsmile)
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You´re right!(Blush)
 

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