What is the tension and mass relationship in a three-block system on an incline?

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The discussion focuses on analyzing a three-block system on an incline, where blocks A and B have the same mass and are connected by a rope, while block C descends at a constant velocity. The key equations derived include the tension in the rope between blocks A and B, which is expressed as T1 = uk*mg, and the tension T2, which balances forces acting on block B. The mass of block C is calculated using mc = uk*m + uk*m*sqrt(3)/2 + m/2. Additionally, confusion arises regarding the acceleration of block C when the rope is cut, with discussions on the correct application of Newton's laws and the need for algebraic corrections. The final equations for acceleration and mass are confirmed with adjustments for signs and terms.
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Homework Statement





blocks A B AND C are connected as show. block A and B have the same mass "m" and the coefficient of kinetic friction between each block is uk. block C descends with constant velocity. use 30 degrees for the angle of the incline.

given m, uk
find

a.
tension in rope between blocks A AND B

b.

mass of block C

c.

if the rope connected to block A is cut, determine the accel of block C


The Attempt at a Solution



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FAx = T1 - uk*N1 = 0
FAy = N1 - mg = 0

FBx = T2 - T1 - uk*N2 = 0
FBy = N - mg*cos(30) = 0

FCy = mc*g - T2 = 0


a.

N1 = mg -> T1 = uk*mg


b.

N2 = mg*cos(30) - > T2 = uk*mg + uk*mg*cos(30)

mc*g - ( uk*mg + uk*mg*cos(30) ) = 0

mc = uk*m + uk*m*sqrt(3)/2

I think these are right(confirm pls)


c is what confuses me but my attempt:

FBx = T2 - uk*N2 - g*sin(30) = 0
FBy = N2 = mg*cos(30)

FCy = mc*g - T2 = mc*a


T2 = uk*mg*cos(30) + g*sin(30)

a = (mc * g - T2) / mc * g


(uk*m + uk*m*sqrt(3)/2 - uk*m*sqrt(3)/2 + 1/2 ) / uk*m + uk*m*sqrt(3)/2 (g should cancel out)

is this all right? thanks for any help.
 
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a. Correct t1=mgμk
b. t2 is balanced by 3 forces, t1, friction and the weight of the mass.
c. t3 is balance by weight of mass c.
 
oreosama said:
c is what confuses me but my attempt:

FBx = T2 - uk*N2 - m[/color]g*sin(30) = 0
Note omission in red. Also, block B is accelerating, correct? Why have you set the sum of forces equal to 0??
FBy = N2 = mg*cos(30)
yes
FCy = mc*g - T2 = mc*a
yes
T2 = uk*mg*cos(30) + g*sin(30)
please correct
a = (mc * g - T2) / mc * g
where did the g come from?
(uk*m + uk*m*sqrt(3)/2 - uk*m*sqrt(3)/2 + 1/2 ) / uk*m + uk*m*sqrt(3)/2 (g should cancel out)

is this all right? thanks for any help.
Make appropriate corrections.
 
T1 = uk*mg

T2 - T1 - Ff - mgsin(30) = 0

T2 = uk*mg + uk*mg*cos(30) + mg*sin(30)

mcg - T2 = 0

mc = uk*m + uk*m*sqrt(3)/2 + m/2c)

FBx = T2 - uk*mg*cos(30) - mg*sin(30) = ma

FCy = mc*g - T2 = mc*a

T2 = mc*a + mc*gmc*a + mc*g - uk*mg*cos(30) - mg*sin(30) = ma

mc*g - uk*mg*cos(30) - mg*sin(30) = ma - mc*a

mc*g - uk*mg*cos(30) - mg*sin(30) = a(m - mc)a = (mc*g - uk*mg*sqrt(3)/2 - mg/2) / (m - mc)

a = (uk*mg + uk*mg*sqrt(3)/2 + mg/2 - uk*mg*sqrt(3)/2 - mg/2) /( m - mc)a = (uk*mg) /( m - uk*m - uk*m*sqrt(3)/2 - m/2)
 
oreosama said:
T1 = uk*mg

T2 - T1 - Ff - mgsin(30) = 0

T2 = uk*mg + uk*mg*cos(30) + mg*sin(30)

mcg - T2 = 0

mc = uk*m + uk*m*sqrt(3)/2 + m/2


c)

FBx = T2 - uk*mg*cos(30) - mg*sin(30) = ma

FCy = mc*g - T2 = mc*a
OK
T2 = mc*a + mc*g
You have a signage error here. Check algebra.
mc*a + mc*g - uk*mg*cos(30) - mg*sin(30) = ma

mc*g - uk*mg*cos(30) - mg*sin(30) = ma - mc*a

mc*g - uk*mg*cos(30) - mg*sin(30) = a(m - mc)


a = (mc*g - uk*mg*sqrt(3)/2 - mg/2) / (m - mc)
this should be OK once you make the correction on your algebra/signage error noted above when determining T2.
a = (uk*mg + uk*mg*sqrt(3)/2 + mg/2 - uk*mg*sqrt(3)/2 - mg/2) /( m - mc)


a = (uk*mg) /( m - uk*m - uk*m*sqrt(3)/2 - m/2)
These last 2 steps are OK where you make the substitution for mc
 
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