What is the Tension Force of a Swing Set at the Bottom of its Path?

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The discussion revolves around the tension force in a swing set chain at the lowest point of its path, specifically analyzing the relationship between tension, gravitational force, and the angle from the vertical at which the swing is released.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the derivation of the tension formula, questioning the signs used in the equations and the implications of the results. There is a focus on understanding why the derived tension appears to contradict the expected relationship with gravitational force.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants expressing differing views on the correctness of the tension formula derived. Some participants suggest that the original problem statement may contain an error regarding the expected tension values, while others are questioning the assumptions made in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted concern that the tension calculated could be less than the weight of the person on the swing, which raises questions about the validity of the derived equations. Participants are also discussing the implications of the angle θ and its effect on the tension force.

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Homework Statement


At the playground, a girl gets on a swing. Her mother pulls her back so that the chain on the swing is at an angle θ from the vertical. She holds her daughter and then let's her go, without pushing. Show that the tension in the chain at the bottom of the swing’s path is given by:

T= mg(1-cosθ)


Homework Equations



Fnet = mv^2/r
mgh = 1/2mv^2


The Attempt at a Solution


Let Upwards be positive.

I first found out that the height the swing was moved upwards by, h, is:

h = r - rcosθ

Then I used mgh = 1/2mv^2 to solve for v^2:

mg(r-rcosθ) = 1/2 mv^2
2g(r-rcosθ) = v^2

Knowing v^2 I used Fnet = mv^2/r and tried to solve for the tensional force.

Fnet = mv^2/r
-Fg + T = mv^2/r

-mg + T = mv^2/r
-mg + T = m(2g(r-rcosθ))/r
-mg + T = 2mgr(1-cosθ)/r
-mg + T = 2mg(1-cosθ)
T = 2mg - 2mgcosθ + mg
T = 3mg - 2mgcosθ
T = mg(3-2cosθ)

This isn't the same as the answer it should be though. Someone told me there are no signs involved and everything is positive which does end up giving you the right answer but why would we ignore the direction?
 
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testme said:
Show that the tension in the chain at the bottom of the swing’s path is given by:

T= mg(1-cosθ)
[PLAIN]https://www.physicsforums.com/images/icons/icon13.gif Were this correct, it's saying tension at lowest point in arc would be less than the person's weight.
T = mg(3-2cosθ)
That is my answer, too.
 
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So you also think that the teach made a mistake and my answer is correct?
 
testme said:
So you also think that the teach made a mistake and my answer is correct?

Cetainly T= mg(1-cosθ) can't be the answer, since that is less than mg alone, and we know the Tension has to be greater than mg.
Indeed, if the swing is is "pulled aside" by 0o then the Tension supposedly becomes zero?
 
I see what you mean, so, the teacher, or whoever made up the question, probably forgot to make either tension or gravity a negative then, thanks.
 

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