What Is the Use of Families of Straight Lines in Geometry?

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The discussion revolves around the concept and utility of families of straight lines in geometry, specifically focusing on families of lines that pass through the intersection of two given lines. Participants explore the mathematical representation of these families and question the inclusion of certain lines within them.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks about the use of the equation L1 + kL2 = 0, questioning why L2 is not included in the family of lines represented by this equation.
  • Another participant expresses confusion over the initial equation, stating that if L1 and L2 are both zero, the equation simplifies to 0 = 0, which does not define a family of lines.
  • A later reply provides a more detailed explanation, introducing the equations of two lines and demonstrating how a family of lines can be represented by varying k in the equation L: (A1x1 + B1y1 + C1) + k(A2x1 + B2y1 + C2) = 0, emphasizing that this family passes through the intersection point P.
  • It is noted that while L1 is included in the family, L2 is not, leading to further questioning about why the alternative form l(A1x1 + B1y1 + C1) + m(A2x1 + B2y1 + C2) = 0 is not used instead.
  • Another participant confirms that the alternative form is indeed used to represent all lines passing through the intersection, clarifying that both forms are valid under different contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the utility and representation of families of lines, particularly regarding the inclusion of specific lines in the family and the appropriateness of different mathematical forms. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore these nuances without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the equations and the definitions of the lines involved. The discussion highlights the dependency on specific conditions and the interpretations of the equations presented.

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This is my second post on PF =)
I want to ask what is the use of Families of straight lines?
I am thinking of A Family of Straight Lines Passing Through the Intersection of Two Lines.
We have the equation: L1+kL2=0 where L1=L2=0 and k is a variable, right?
But is it said that L2 is not included in this family?
So why are we using this equation, when it cannot fully represent all the lines with this common properties, so as to classify them into a family?
Please, may you help. Thanks
 
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"We have the equation: L1+kL2=0 where L1=L2=0 and k is a variable, right?"

I cannot make sense out of that sentence. If "L1= L2= 0 and k is a variable" then the equation L1+ kL2= 0 just says "0= 0". It says nothing about any "family of straight lines".
 
HallsofIvy said:
"We have the equation: L1+kL2=0 where L1=L2=0 and k is a variable, right?"

I cannot make sense out of that sentence. If "L1= L2= 0 and k is a variable" then the equation L1+ kL2= 0 just says "0= 0". It says nothing about any "family of straight lines".

Maybe I wasn't making the question clear enough...

Here's what I find in my textbook:

Given two straight lines
L1: A1x+B1y+C1=0
and L2: A2x+B2y+C2=0
which intersects at the point P(x1,y1)
Substitute P(x1,y1) into L1 and L2 respectively, we have
A1x1+B1y1+C1=0...(1)
A2x1+B2y1+C2=0...(2)
Consider
L: (A1x1+B1y1+C1)+k(A2x1+B2y1+C2)=0, where k is real.
For each value of k, together with (1) and (2), we have
(A1x1+B1y1+C1)+k(A2x1+B2y1+C2)=0+k(0)=0
which shows that L passes through P.
L can also be arranged as
(A1+kA2)x+(B1+kB2)y+(C1+kC2)=0
which shows that L is a straight line.
In conclusion, as k varies,
(A1x1+B1y1+C1)+k(A2x1+B2y1+C2)=0, where k is real,
represent a family of straight lines passing through the point of intersection of L1 and L2.
It should be emphasized that the line L2 is not included in this family. In order to represent all the lines passing through the point of intersection of L1 and L2, th efolloewing form would be used:
l(A1x1+B1y1+C1)+m(A2x1+B2y1+C2)=0, where l and m are real.

So why don't we use the last equation instead?
Thanks.
 
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Hi theow ! Welcome to PF! :smile:
theow said:
L1 + kL2

But is it said that L2 is not included in this family?

Yes … L1 is included, because L1 = L1 + kL2 with k= 0.

But there is no k (unless you include infinity, which is not allowed) for which L2 = L1 + kL2, is there? :smile:
theow said:
So why don't we use the last equation instead?

We do … your textbook says:
In order to represent all the lines passing through the point of intersection of L1 and L2, the following form would be used:
l(A1x1+B1y1+C1)+m(A2x1+B2y1+C2)=0, where l and m are real.

We use lL1 + mL2. :smile:
 

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