What is the Work Done on the Person+Sled System in an Amusement Park Ride?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the work done on a person and sled system during an amusement park ride involving a spring and a ramp. The spring, compressed by 2.2 m, propels the sled down a 30.9-degree ramp, with friction affecting the motion. After traveling 5.5 m, the sled reaches a speed of 8.364 m/s, and 648 J of thermal energy is dissipated due to friction. Participants clarify that the work done on the system should exclude thermal energy and friction, emphasizing the distinction between "work done by" and "work done on" the system. The conversation highlights the importance of correctly identifying the forces contributing to the work done on the sled and person system.
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Homework Statement


An amusement park ride consists of a slide that is sloped an an angle of 30.9 degrees with respect to the vertical with a spring located at the top of the ramp with a spring constant of 186 N/m. A person will sit in a sled on the ramp, and then the spring is compressed by the operator an amount of 2.2 m. The spring is then released by the operator and person plus sled are pushed down the ramp by the spring. The sled will become separated from the spring once the spring returns to its rest length. Also, there is friction between the sled and the ramp which has a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.7. Consider the person and sled as one object with a total mass of 55.7 kg.

After the person has traveled down the ramp a distance 5.5 m, the person will have a speed of 8.364 m/s, the spring has returned to its rest length and you determine that 648 J of thermal energy went into the ramp as the person travels this distance.

Homework Equations


Total work= DeltaKtranslational+ DeltaKRotational+ Ugravitational+ Uspring+ DeltaThermal + other

W=Fd
Work done by spring= (1/2)kx^2

The Attempt at a Solution



There were 11 total parts to this problem, first half of them invovled using EVERYTHING as the system, but the second half involved only using the person+sled as the system. I have solved all the problems except the work done on the system of the person+sled. I have the change in thermal, the work done by friction, change in kinetc and work done by gravity and by the spring. I would assume the work done on the system would be just adding up all the work done on it by various forces, but that was wrong. So would the work done on the system just be the everything excluding thermal/friction?

Thanks
 
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Brandon 456 said:
I would assume the work done on the system would be just adding up all the work done on it by various forces
You need to distinguish "work done by" from "work done on".
Work done by forces includes work that ends up as thermal energy or potential energy. Neither of these are considered work possessed by the person+sled system. (The gravitational potential energy is a property of the person+sled+earth system.)
 
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