What is wavefunction in the time-dependent schrodinger equation?

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The discussion centers on the nature of the wave function in the context of the time-dependent Schrödinger equation, exploring whether it can represent energy eigenfunctions, momentum eigenfunctions, or angular momentum eigenfunctions. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and mathematical methods related to the solutions of the equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the wave function in the time-dependent Schrödinger equation can be any state vector or function, while others clarify that it specifically holds for solutions of the equation.
  • One participant suggests using the method of separation of variables to find solutions, indicating that different eigenfunctions correspond to different values of a constant λ.
  • It is noted that a wave function can be an eigenfunction of the Hamiltonian, which implies a zero uncertainty in energy, thus representing a stationary state.
  • Some participants argue that angular momentum eigenfunctions can be solutions to the time-dependent Schrödinger equation, particularly in central force fields.
  • There is a contention regarding momentum eigenfunctions, with one participant stating that they cannot be solutions due to the implications of the uncertainty principle.
  • A later reply presents a general solution for the time-dependent Schrödinger equation, expressed as a sum of energy eigenstates multiplied by a time-dependent phase factor.

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Participants express differing views on the types of wave functions that can be solutions to the time-dependent Schrödinger equation, particularly regarding momentum eigenfunctions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the nature of the wave function.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include assumptions about the Hamiltonian being time-independent and the implications of the uncertainty principle on the types of eigenfunctions that can be solutions.

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Hello.

The wave function or state vector (callled 'Ket') ψ in the time-dependent Schrödinger equation

i\hbar\frac{∂ψ}{∂t}=\widehat{H}ψ

is the just energy eigenfunction or any wavefunction for the given system?

For example, can ψ be momentum eigenfunction or angular momentum eigenfunction, etc?
 
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The time-dependent Schrödinger equation holds for arbitrary state vectors / functions. The time-independent Schrödinger equation holds only for eigenstates of the Hamiltonian.
 
kith said:
The time-dependent Schrödinger equation holds for arbitrary state vectors / functions. [...]

Since it's an equation, not a mere equality, it holds for its set of solutions only. That 'arbitrary' is wrongly placed there.
 
dextercioby said:
Since it's an equation, not a mere equality, it holds for its set of solutions only. That 'arbitrary' is wrongly placed there.


Alright thus...could you give me the idea about what kinds of solutions are holding for the time-dependent Schroedinger equation?
 
You can try the method "separation of variable"
For simplicity, we stick in 1-D

Step 1 let ψ(x,t) = X(x)T(t)
now the equation(PDE) becomes ODE (second order)

Step 2 divide both sides by X(x)T(t)
then you should get LHS(depends on t only) = RHS(depends on x only)
therefore LHS = RHS = constant = λ

Step 3 for different λ, you will have different solution.


ψ is an eigenfunction of Hamiltonian ⇔ uncertainty of energy is zero (energy is also quantized)
That is ψ is a stationary state

It is possible to have angular momentum eigenfunction (in central force field)

However it is not possible to have momentum eigenfunction.
Coz it leads to zero uncertainty in momentum which contradicts the uncertainty principle
 
HAMJOOP said:
You can try the method "separation of variable"
For simplicity, we stick in 1-D

Step 1 let ψ(x,t) = X(x)T(t)
now the equation(PDE) becomes ODE (second order)

Step 2 divide both sides by X(x)T(t)
then you should get LHS(depends on t only) = RHS(depends on x only)
therefore LHS = RHS = constant = λ

Step 3 for different λ, you will have different solution.


ψ is an eigenfunction of Hamiltonian ⇔ uncertainty of energy is zero (energy is also quantized)
That is ψ is a stationary state

It is possible to have angular momentum eigenfunction (in central force field)

However it is not possible to have momentum eigenfunction.
Coz it leads to zero uncertainty in momentum which contradicts the uncertainty principle

Thus are you saying that the time-dependent Schroedinger equation has solution which is eigen function of the Hamiltonian and angular momentum eigenfunction is also possible solution for this equation since the angular momentum operator is commuted with Hamiltonian?
 
Assuming the hamiltonian is time independent, the general solution of the time-dependent Schroedinger equation is
\psi(x,t)=\sum_n c_n\psi_n(x)e^{-iE_n t/\hbar}where \psi_n(x) is an energy eigenstate,
\hat H\psi_n(x)=E_n\psi_n(x)and c_n is an arbitrary complex number.
 

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