What objects, in General Relativity, carry units?

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The discussion revolves around the question of which objects in General Relativity carry units, particularly focusing on coordinates, velocities, and the metric. Participants explore the implications of these units in the context of manifold coordinates and their physical meanings.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that manifold coordinates, x^i, and the parameter t for a path x^i(t) have no units, while proper time τ does have units of seconds, leading to the conclusion that the metric g_{ij} must have units of s².
  • Another participant argues that the velocities v_i have units of length over time, implying that the coordinates x^i must have units of length and that the parameter t must have units of time, questioning the nature of manifold coordinates.
  • A different viewpoint is presented where the v_i, associated with the tangent space of the manifold, are considered to be velocities, suggesting that the x_i should have units of length, while the metric g_{ij} is described as dimensionless.
  • One participant emphasizes that the magnitude squared of a velocity vector must have units of length squared over time squared, leading to the conclusion that v_i should have units of length over time, while g_{ij} remains unitless.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the units associated with manifold coordinates and the metric. There is no consensus on whether manifold coordinates carry units or if they are dimensionless, leading to an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence on definitions of manifold coordinates and the implications of these definitions on the units of related quantities. The discussion reflects various interpretations of the mathematical framework without resolving the underlying assumptions.

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Hi, maybe someone could answer this for me, or at least confirm my answer. (It's not homework.)

What objects, in General Relativity, carry units?

My thinking is that coordinates, x^i, on manifold patches have no units. And the parameter, t, for a path x^i(t) has no units. So velocities with respect to that parameter have no units. But proper time does have units, seconds say, [\tau]=s, and is the integral of the velocity magnitude
\Delta \tau = \int dt \sqrt{v^i v^j g_{ij}}
So the metric needs to have units, [g_{ij}]=s^2.

Does this seem right? Or does one actually ascribe units to manifold coordinates?
My feeling is one could do that, but those units would be meaningless and be swallowed by the metric, which is the only physical object giving meaning to distance and carrying units.

Thanks!
 
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I believe that the v_i have units of length over time and the metric is dimensionless, so that the overall dimension of the gunf under the integral sign is

[T]\left([L]^2 [T]^{-2}\right)^{1/2} = [L]

But we know that the action is dimensionless, so we multiply by the appropriate combination of c, G and M in order to cancel the one factor of length.
 
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If v_i=\frac{dx^i}{dt} has units of length over time, then the coordinates of a path on the manifold, x^i, need to have units of length, and the parameter, t, needs to have units of time. But that doesn't make sense to me, since manifold coordinates just come from charts -- maps from manifold points to \Re^4. Unless I'm just being dumb about something?
 
The v_i, living in the tangent space of the manifold, are often taken to be velocities. So I guess that means that the x_i have units of length.

I'm afraid that I don't have a philosophical reason as to 'why' this works out, other than the fact that it 'just works'.

Edit: You could try thinking about it this way:

Take v to be a vector and e_i a basis for the tangent space (at some point p), so that the components of v in the basis are v^i, and we have

v = v^i e_i

We want the magnitude squared of v to have units of length squared over time squared, but we define |v|^2 as

|v|^2 = g(v,v) = g(v^ie_i, v^je_j) = v^iv^jg(e_i,e_j) = v^iv^jg_{ij}

The only way for this to be sensible is to give units of length over time to the v_i, and no units to the g_ij.
 
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