What Physics Topics Relate to Ski Lifts?

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The discussion focuses on investigating measurable physics topics related to ski lifts, particularly the downward pressure of riders on a chairlift and its effect on the friction of the haul rope on the bull wheel. Suggestions for calculating this include determining the distance between skiers, the length of the haul rope, and average weight, while considering friction coefficients. A practical approach involves measuring electric power consumption with and without riders to approximate friction losses. Additionally, conducting real tests with riders or measuring the force needed to haul a skier can provide valuable data. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of both theoretical calculations and practical experiments in understanding the physics of ski lifts.
Chairliftop
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Hello Everybody!

I am looking for some help in formulating an investigation topic relating to ski lifts. What measurable physics topics relate to ski lifts?

One idea I came up with how much downward pressure of riders on a chairlift would overcome the friction of the haul rope (the cable) on the bull wheel (the main wheel at the bottom and top terminals)? How would I go about calculating this?

Thank you so much in advance!
 
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Hello ClO, :welcome:

Chairliftop said:
How would I go about calculating this?
Well, you set the distance between skiers on the haul side of the rope, say 10 m. You pick a length for the haul side of rope, say 500 m. So 50 skiers at any time. Average weight, slope angle and there you go (with a few relevant equations -- you collect them and list them in a next post). You could ignore friction at first, perhaps later add a friction coefficient -- if that's already been treated in you class.
 
Calculation won't help if you don't know the friction. Can you ruin a test with zero riders and measure the electric power consumption. That's a fair approximation of the friction losses.

Better still its to run a real test with riders and measure the power consumption dynamically.
 
Is this a thought experiment? Or do you have a ski lift available ? You could measure the force needed to haul one skier up with a spring balance
spring-balance-scale.png
(picture borrowed from here -- you'll need a heavier kind)

Note that this force has to compensate some dynamic friction plus a fraction of the weight of the skier !
 
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