# What SciFi universe would you live in?

#### StrayCatalyst

If we're sticking to movies, then probably Avatar - the ability to give a person a "new" body if they ruin their original would be more useful and important than even a holodeck. If we're going with books, then John Varley's "Ten Worlds" universe would be even better - body modification is simple and reliable, old age is a non-issue, the majority of our solar system has been colonized (in some cases by extreme body modified people, such as within the rings of Saturn) and the rest of the galaxy is teeming with life, that has just made contact with humans and offered many of their technologies in exchange for cultural and artistic concepts. Also, the only warfare is economic, as opposed to state-sponsored mass murder and genocide - which is even better than Star Trek, where the various races are still at war with each other.

#### ImaLooser

Lexx. No particular reason. No way I wear those Star Trek uniforms.

#### brenan

And the Borg. (Uh-oh, now I'm wondering what you'd look like in 7-of-9's body suit. I'd better log out quick.)
And now I'm wondering what 7-of-9 would look like while you were wearing her body suit....

#### cueball B

Star Trek TNG. A utopian universe where humans just strive to better themselves and are pushed forward by the need for exploration.

#### Algr

What, no Game of Thrones? :P There is a big difference between liking to watch a show and wanting to be in it. Hence all the Star Trek TNG. It might be interesting to ask what would be the _worst_ Sci Fi universe to live in. I'd choose:

Blake's 7
Red Dwarf
DC / Marvel comics
Revolution (Haven't actually seen it, going by ads.)
Harry Potter (How can people with magic have such a hopelessly bad justice system?)

#### Charmar

What, no Game of Thrones? :P There is a big difference between liking to watch a show and wanting to be in it. Hence all the Star Trek TNG. It might be interesting to ask what would be the _worst_ Sci Fi universe to live in. I'd choose:

Blake's 7
Red Dwarf
DC / Marvel comics
Revolution (Haven't actually seen it, going by ads.)
Harry Potter (How can people with magic have such a hopelessly bad justice system?)
Dune
Metropolis
Game Of Thrones, unless I can be Bronn, son of "you probably never heard of him."

#### BobG

Homework Helper
I'd choose the Library of Babel.

If honor and wisdom and happiness are not for me, let them be for others. Let heaven exist, though my place be in hell. Let me be outraged and annihilated, but for one instant, in one being, let Your enormous Library be justified. The impious maintain that nonsense is normal in the Library and that the reasonable (and even humble and pure coherence) is an almost miraculous exception. They speak (I know) of the feverish Library whose chance volumes are constantly in danger of changing into others and affirm, negate and confuse everything like a delirious divinity.'' These words, which not only denounce the disorder but exemplify it as well, notoriously prove their authors' abominable taste and desperate ignorance. In truth, the Library includes all verbal structures, all variations permitted by the twenty-five orthographical symbols, but not a single example of absolute nonsense.
Admittedly, the first big problem with this universe is gravity. If the library is infinite, then the distribution of mass is uniform, and there's just as much mass pulling you "up" as there is pulling you "down". In fact, there should be no up or down.

But, assuming there's gravity for some reason, the other problem is their waste and disposal system.

Since the library is infinite, they don't have to worry about dead bodies.

Once I am dead, there will be no lack of pious hands to throw me over the railing; my grave will be the fathomless air; my body will sink endlessly and decay and dissolve in the wind generated by the fall, which is infinite.
Seems like a great idea, except if the library is infinite, then there must be an infinite number of librarians on the infinite number of floors above you, which means an infinite number of dead bodies falling past your floor in various states of decay. That doesn't actually mean the density of dead bodies falling past your floor is particularly high, since librarians probably live around 75 years or so before they die? And librarians falling from floors far enough above you will have decayed by time they fall past your floor? And librarians falling from far, far above you will be passing your floor at incredibly high rates of speed, perhaps close to the speed of light? (Which just emphasizes the gravity problem!)

Somehow, though, I find the restrooms a little more disturbing. Obviously, you're not going to rig a plumbing system for an infinite library when all you have to do is flush the waste out the back of the restroom and let it fall forever. But again, there's an infinite number of librarians on the infinite number of floors above you and each librarian above you will defecate a lot more than once every 75 years!

I'd figure out how many dead bodies and waste would be falling past my floor, and the average velocity of the stuff falling past my floor, but, again, this is an infinite library and at least one of the books has to have the answer without me having to figure this out myself.

If only I could find that damn book!

I guess the obvious thing would be to figure out how many rooms it would take to hold every possible book in every possible order, but somehow I just found their waste disposal system a little more pressing.

And, equally obvious, I care more about an interesting problem than I do pleasant living conditions to choose the Library of Babel as my scifi universe.

With all of the waste falling at different speeds, I wonder how many collisions there are and how far the debris scatters with each collision. Somehow, I feel like the picture of that universe has as much resemblance to the actual conditions as the pictures of Big Macs do to the Big Macs they actually put in the bag.

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#### cephron

Isn't Game of Thrones more fantasy than sci-fi?

But it Game of Thrones is allowed, then I would definitely most like to live in Narnia.

If not, then I would probably go with Larry Niven's "Known Space" universe.

#### turbo

Gold Member
I wouldn't want to live in any of William Gibson's novels. nope.

#### tkav1980

Star Wars, hands down. Forget all the fancy tech, theres The Force. Seriously, how much fun would that be?

#### Greg Bernhardt

Only a few have the force though. You could end up being a moisture farmer

#### tkav1980

Stop poking holes in my flawed logic damnit!

#### Geekaholic

I'd live in New New York!!

#### Office_Shredder

Staff Emeritus
Gold Member
Only a few have the force though. You could end up being a moisture farmer
This is true for any universe. Yeah you could pick Star Trek: TNG but imagine if someone watched a bunch of TV shows and said "I want to live on earth! They have the coolest tech!" And then they show up here and statistically they're more likely to not have a television, car or an internet connection. Pretty lame compared to what they saw on TV. None of the shows are going to show the crippling poverty of the underclass because that makes for terrible TV

#### willbell

This is true for any universe. Yeah you could pick Star Trek: TNG but imagine if someone watched a bunch of TV shows and said "I want to live on earth! They have the coolest tech!" And then they show up here and statistically they're more likely to not have a television, car or an internet connection. Pretty lame compared to what they saw on TV. None of the shows are going to show the crippling poverty of the underclass because that makes for terrible TV
But inside the federation in the TNG era there isn't any poverty... no poverty, no underclass.

#### brenan

But inside the federation in the TNG era there isn't any poverty... no poverty, no underclass.
Ok so who cleans the toilets?
I saw no evidence of menial task robots.
Just because there is no "money" does not mean there is no "currency"
and that will always create an underclass.

#### Algr

Ok so who cleans the toilets?
There aren't any toilets. They use the transporter to beam it right out of you.

None of the shows are going to show the crippling poverty of the underclass because that makes for terrible TV
Some do. Babylon 5 had the Down Below area. Doctor Who used to have a fair number of proletariat uprisings. (The Sunmakers w/Tom Baker is a good one.)

#### krash661

this is an interesting topic,
unfortunately,
I can not pick which SciFi universe because i want to experience most of them.

#### Ryan_m_b

Staff Emeritus
Ok so who cleans the toilets?
I saw no evidence of menial task robots.
Just because there is no "money" does not mean there is no "currency"
and that will always create an underclass.
Implicit in this are the assumptions that:

1) The ideas of social status, particularly with regards to work, are the same (in other words that cleaning the toilets would be judged to be a negative personal trait)

2) That work is the same in the sense that people have one job that is usually a career (as opposed to people picking up and putting down a variety of volunteer jobs as needed so as to spread the load of undesirable jobs yet to be automated)

Admittedly I don't think any series of ST ever explored this properly but there has been plenty of science fiction (mainly literature) and non fiction that has explored these ideas.

#### Digitalism

Babylon 5 as an enhanced telepath (similar to Jason Ironheart)

#### willbell

Brenan, it doesn't have to make sense, it is meant to be utopian. :p

#### brenan

Brenan, it doesn't have to make sense, it is meant to be utopian. :p
Science fiction is required to make sense. If it doesn't it's science fantasy. There's a seperate

After giving it more thought I've decided I'd want to live in the Stainless Steel Rat universe.
PROVIDING... I get to be slippery jim.

#### willbell

Science fiction is required to make sense. If it doesn't it's science fantasy. There's a seperate
I'll point out that Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Doctor Who, and Star Wars have all made it into this thread so I really doubt the genre is that restrictive.

#### brenan

I'll point out that Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Doctor Who, and Star Wars have all made it into this thread so I really doubt the genre is that restrictive.
touche...

#### reenmachine

Gold Member
Star Trek TNG , no doubt.

I would enjoy having Data's job in one of the less important ship.Yet at the same time , I wouldn't mind being on the enterprise discussing with Data.

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