What should be the electric field intensity inside a sphere

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The discussion revolves around the electric field intensity and charge density inside a charged solid metallic sphere, particularly under the hypothetical scenario where the force between two point charges is proportional to \(\frac{1}{r^3}\) instead of the conventional \(\frac{1}{r^2}\). Participants explore theoretical implications and mathematical formulations related to this altered force law.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the electric field intensity and charge density inside a sphere under the assumption of a \(\frac{1}{r^3}\) force law.
  • Another participant suggests that the charge distribution will settle into a minimum energy configuration, noting that for \(\frac{1}{r^2}\), charge resides on the surface, resulting in a zero electric field inside.
  • It is proposed that for \(\frac{1}{r^3}\), the electric field inside would also be zero, but the charge density distribution is less clear and requires further investigation.
  • A mathematical approach is initiated to derive the charge density function \(\rho(r)\) by setting up integrals based on symmetry and the electric field contributions from differential charge elements.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the complexity of the mathematical treatment and whether a simpler method exists.
  • One participant emphasizes the intuition that the charge density inside the sphere would not drop to zero, contrasting with the mathematical approach being discussed.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the charge density distribution inside the sphere under the new force law. There are competing views on the implications of the \(\frac{1}{r^3}\) force law, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the charge density and electric field intensity.

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The discussion includes complex mathematical formulations that may depend on specific assumptions about charge distribution and symmetry. The implications of the altered force law on charge density and electric field are not fully resolved, leaving open questions about the nature of the solutions.

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If the force acting between two point charges were proportional to \frac{1}{r^ 3}, instead of \frac{1}{r^ 2}, what would be the electric field intensity and charge density inside a charged solid metallic sphere?
 
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Good question. Makes one think. What do you think ?

PS if this is homework, then there is a special forum to post in.
 
Hmm. The charge distribution will settle into a minimum energy configuration. For ##\frac{1}{r^2}##, all of the charge would go to the surface of the sphere, and the field inside would be zero. For ##\frac{1}{r^3}##, the field inside would still have to be zero (otherwise, charges would continue to redistribute) but it isn't so obvious what the charge density is.
We need to find a distribution such that the field is 0. By symmetry, the distribution must be only a function of radius.
Pick an arbitrary point in the sphere. Without loss of generality, we assume the point to be on the z-axis, going through the center of the sphere. Let the position be ##(0,0,z')##. The field at that point is
##0 = F = \int\limits_0^\pi \int\limits_0^R 2\pi f(r,\theta) r^2 \sin \theta dr d\theta##
where ##f(r,\theta)## is the piece of field at the point due to the charge density at ##(r,\theta)##. We can ignore the ##\phi## coordinate due to symmetry.
The amplitude of the piece of field f is
##|f(r,\theta)| = \rho(x,y,z) \frac{1}{[(x-x')^2 + (y-y')^2 + (z-z')^2]^{3/2}}##
where (x,y,z) are the position of the differential charge and (x',y',z') = (0,0,z') is the arbitrary point.
##z = r \cos \theta##
##x^2 + y^2 = (r \sin \theta)^2##
so
##|f(r,\theta)| = \rho(x,y,z) \frac{1}{[(r \sin \theta)^2 + (r \cos \theta -z')^2]^{3/2}}##
The angle ##\alpha## of the field f to the z axis is given by
##\tan \alpha = \frac{r \sin \theta}{r \cos \theta - z'}##
so the z component of the field f is
##f_z = \cos \alpha |f(r,\theta)|##
to be continued.
 
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##\cos \alpha = \sqrt{\frac{(r \cos \theta - z')^2}{(r \sin \theta)^2 + (r \cos \theta - z')^2}}##
##f_z(r,\theta) = \rho(r) \frac{r \cos \theta - z'}{[(r \sin \theta)^2 + (r \cos \theta - z')^2]^2}##
Now go back to the first equation, setting ##F_z=0##
##0 = F_z = \int\limits_0^\pi \int\limits_0^R 2\pi f_z(r,\theta) r^2 \sin \theta dr d\theta##
Now, it should be possible to integrate ##f_z## over ##\theta##. This gives an integral equation for ##\rho(r)##
I guess you can then take the derivative to get an equation for ##\rho(r)##.
This approach seems messy, and I wonder if there's a better way.
 
Khashishi said:
##\cos \alpha = \sqrt{\frac{(r \cos \theta - z')^2}{(r \sin \theta)^2 + (r \cos \theta - z')^2}}##
##f_z(r,\theta) = \rho(r) \frac{r \cos \theta - z'}{[(r \sin \theta)^2 + (r \cos \theta - z')^2]^2}##
Now go back to the first equation, setting ##F_z=0##
##0 = F_z = \int\limits_0^\pi \int\limits_0^R 2\pi f_z(r,\theta) r^2 \sin \theta dr d\theta##
Now, it should be possible to integrate ##f_z## over ##\theta##. This gives an integral equation for ##\rho(r)##
I guess you can then take the derivative to get an equation for ##\rho(r)##.
This approach seems messy, and I wonder if there's a better way.
Khashishi said:
##\cos \alpha = \sqrt{\frac{(r \cos \theta - z')^2}{(r \sin \theta)^2 + (r \cos \theta - z')^2}}##
##f_z(r,\theta) = \rho(r) \frac{r \cos \theta - z'}{[(r \sin \theta)^2 + (r \cos \theta - z')^2]^2}##
Now go back to the first equation, setting ##F_z=0##
##0 = F_z = \int\limits_0^\pi \int\limits_0^R 2\pi f_z(r,\theta) r^2 \sin \theta dr d\theta##
Now, it should be possible to integrate ##f_z## over ##\theta##. This gives an integral equation for ##\rho(r)##
I guess you can then take the derivative to get an equation for ##\rho(r)##.
This approach seems messy, and I wonder if there's a better way.
I appreciate your method, thanks. The point I wanted to clarify is, by intution, to understand whether the charge density inside the sphere would drop to zero. Clearly, it wouldn't.
You have proceeded to a clear mathematical treatment, which is, very excellent of you.
 

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