What should be the shape around each carbon atom?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the molecular structure of cubane (C8H8), specifically focusing on the shape around each carbon atom, the bond angles, and the implications for the molecule's stability. Participants explore theoretical aspects based on VSEPR theory and hybridization, as well as practical visualization of the molecular geometry.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe cubane as having a cubic shape with carbon atoms at each corner and discuss the implications of this structure for stability.
  • There are inquiries about the ideal bond angles around carbon atoms in a cubic structure, with references to VSEPR theory and hybridization types.
  • One participant suggests that each carbon atom is sp3 hybridized, leading to a tetrahedral shape, while questioning the bond angles in the context of a cube.
  • Concerns are raised about the stability of cubane due to the deviation of bond angles from the ideal tetrahedral angle of 109.5 degrees, suggesting that the 90-degree angles in a cubic structure could lead to instability.
  • Participants express uncertainty about visualizing the structure and the exact bond angles, with some asking for drawings or further clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact shape and bond angles around the carbon atoms, with multiple competing views on the implications for stability and the hybridization involved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about hybridization and bond angles, as well as the lack of visual aids to clarify the proposed structures.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying molecular geometry, organic chemistry, or anyone curious about the structural properties of hydrocarbons like cubane.

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Cubane is a hydrocarbon with the formula, C8H8. It has a cubic shape,
as its name implies, with a carbon atom at each corner of the cube. This molecule
is very unstable and some researchers have been seriously injured when crystals
of the compound exploded while being scooped out of a bottle. Not surprisingly,
it has some uses as an explosive.
(a) According to VESPR theory, what should be the shape around each carbon
atom? Why?
(b) If we assume a ideal cubic shape, what would be the bond angles around the carbon?
(c) Explain how your answer to (a) and (b) suggest why this molecule is so unstable.

I don't know what the shape would be for 8 carbon, I only know up to 2 carbons.
 
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Can u make a drawing...?That is,can u picture the bonds (how they would be ideally)...?What hybridization type does this structure correspond to...?

Daniel.
 
a) Try to come up with the structure of this molecule. Determine to how many other atoms each carbon atom binds, and from that, infer what the geometry should be according to the Vespr model.

b) This is extremely simple to answer. You assume an ideal cubic shape: what are the angles between the edges of a cube? .
 
Roxy said:
It has a cubic shape, as its name implies, with a carbon atom at each corner of the cube.
(a) According to VESPR theory, what should be the shape around each carbon
atom? Why?
(b) If we assume a ideal cubic shape, what would be the bond angles around the carbon?
(c) Explain how your answer to (a) and (b) suggest why this molecule is so unstable.

a.
Try to visualize this thing. You have a cube; that's basically just 2 squares with space betweem them. Each carbon is bound to another carbon on each axis, so that leaves 1 hydrogen per carbon. That would give you the C8H8 formula you are looking for, so just assume it's the correct structure and that each carbon is sp^3 hybridized. What's the shape of sp^3? Tetrahedral if I'm not mistaken.

b.
If it's like any cube I've seen, the angles between the carbon bonds would be 90 degrees. As for the angle between the carbon bonds and the hydrogen bonds, I don't really know what that would be; my background in math is sketchy at best. I think I'll start a math thread asking that question.

c.
It will be unstable because the bonds are really bent out of shape. A tetrahedron should have 109.5 degrees between the bonds. This thing likely has 90 degrees between the bonds. You can only pull on something so hard before it snaps.
 

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