What Size Circle Fits Between Three Touching Circles?

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The discussion revolves around determining the size of a circle that can maximally fit between three touching circles arranged within an equilateral triangle. The problem involves geometric considerations and may relate to calculus for optimization.

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  • One participant describes a configuration of three circles touching each other within an equilateral triangle and seeks to find the radius of a smaller circle that fits between them, suggesting a calculus approach for maximization.
  • Another participant proposes using coordinate geometry to define the positions of the circles and derive the radius of the inner circle based on the centers of the larger circles.
  • A participant claims to have calculated the radius of the inner circle as r=2Sqrt[3]-3, approximating it to ~0.46 units, and seeks confirmation of this result.
  • One suggestion includes referencing Descartes' Theorem and applying the Law of Cosines to analyze the geometric relationships, assuming 3-fold rotational symmetry.
  • A participant acknowledges the complexity and historical depth of the problem, expressing appreciation for the reference provided.
  • Another participant notes the need for more detailed working to provide meaningful feedback on the calculations presented.

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Participants express various approaches and calculations regarding the problem, but there is no consensus on the correctness of the proposed radius or methods. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple viewpoints presented.

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Some limitations include the dependence on the assumptions made about the configuration of the circles and the potential need for further mathematical validation of the proposed solutions.

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Hi -- Thinking about the problem, where I have three circles in a closest possible packing inside an equilateral triangle. So two circles on the floor, adjacent to each other touching and a third circle placed on top so that the distances off their centers from each other are all 2R, R=Radius.

What I am want to know is the size of the circle that would maximally fill in the space between the three larger circles. Any ideas? I'm thinking calculus min or maximization problem.

Any references, ideas or pointers appreciated.
 
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Sketch it out as coordinate geometry:
If you have already solved for the radius of the three circles - then these will define three points on the inner circle and thus the circle itself can be found.

i.e. the inner circle you are finding is centered at (0,0), and the upper circle is centered at (0,y), and has radius r, then the radius of the inner circle is y-r
 
Simon -- Thanks for the response. So I got that the radius of the small inner circle turns out to be, r=2Sqrt[3]-3. I'm not sure if this is correct but the number seems to make sense. Turns out ~.46 units as opposed to the outer spheres which I assumed to be 1 unit radii.

ratio(outer:inner)=(2/3)Sqrt[3]-1

Can this be confirmed? Thanks again
 
You might want to look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descartes'_theorem]Descartes'[/PLAIN] Theorem. Or you could draw a bunch of line segments (such as those connecting the centres of the circles and the radii tangent to the triangle) and apply the Law of Cosines a bunch of times to find it after assuming that the system has 3-fold rotational symmetry, which works similarly well.
 
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Whovian -- Thanks. Who would have thought such a seemingly simple problem, has such a deep history. Thanks for the pointer.
 
... but without seeing your working, we cannot really comment.
 

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