What Was the Initial Speed of the Second Stone to Hit the Water Simultaneously?

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The problem involves two stones: one is dropped from a height of 50 meters, and the other is thrown down 1 second later. The goal is to determine the initial speed of the second stone so that both stones hit the water simultaneously. The subject area pertains to kinematics and motion under gravity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss gathering data and forming relevant equations based on the motion of the stones. There is an emphasis on understanding the difference between dropping and throwing the stones, and how this affects their motion. Questions arise regarding the derivation and application of kinematic equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on using kinematic equations to approach the problem, while others express confusion about the derivation of these equations. There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts involved, with no explicit consensus reached on the solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the time intervals and the conditions of motion for each stone. There is mention of potential differences in how kinematic equations are presented in various coursework or textbooks.

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Homework Statement


A stone is dropped off a bridge 50m above the water. Exactly 1s later another stone is thrown down and both stones strike the water together. What must the initial speed of the second stone have been?

ohh I am sorry but i have no idea please help me out here
thank you soooo much :)

Homework Equations


conservation law?


The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Try gathering the given data and forming the relevant equations.

Here, the first stone is 'dropped', and not thrown. Hence, it must be falling down with constant acceleration 'g'. Since you know the height, you can find the time required for the stone to touch the surface of the water.

Now knowing the time, you can easily find the velocity with which the next stone must be thrown, since the time interval is also given.

Try this out, and tell us where you get stuck.
 
All you need to use is [tex]s = ut + \frac{1}{2} a{t}^{2}[/tex]

The only difference between the two cases is with u and t.
Try it out. It's pretty simple
 
can you please tell me how you got that equation? with that equation it is simple but how did you get it?
 
sillybilly said:
can you please tell me how you got that equation? with that equation it is simple but how did you get it?

Here is a link showing a derivation, that is non-calculus based:
http://tinyurl.com/2bmdasu

The equation is part of a list of equations for "kinematics" equations for constant acceleration. I suggest memorizing each these equations. If you are taking a non-calculus based physics class, your particular coursework/textbook might introduce these equations in a slightly different format from the link above (but they are usually still given to you). Memorize the equations in the format given in your text and coursework (that way, when you use them on homework or a test, there won't be any ambiguity about where you got them).

If you are taking a calculus based class, the formulas come from the direct result of knowing that (and integrating),

[tex]\vec {v(t)} = \frac{\partial}{\partial t} \vec {s(t)} \ \[/tex]

[tex]\vec {a(t)} = \frac{\partial}{\partial t} \vec {v(t)} \ \[/tex]
 

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