What's the force moving electrons against E within copper-zinc

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When copper is brought into contact with zinc, electrons flow from copper to zinc due to the difference in energy levels, specifically the work function of the materials. This flow creates an electric field, and the discussion seeks to identify the non-electrical force responsible for moving electrons against this field. The chemical potential is mentioned as a possible explanation, raising questions about its nature as a scalar function and the validity of using its gradient as a force. The conversation emphasizes the need for a clearer understanding of the forces involved in electron movement at the zinc-copper interface. Overall, the inquiry highlights fundamental concepts in electrochemistry and the behavior of electrons in conductive materials.
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I have a piece of copper in static condition. Since copper is a conductor, within the copper there is no electric field. Strange comes when I bring this copper in contact with a piece of zinc: in a tiny interval of time, certain amount of electrons would flow from copper to zinc.
I suspect that during this interval, electric field would be created and in order to move electrons against this field, there must be a non-electrical force. So the question is: what's this force?
I have searched this topic and answer are chemical force/potential etc. I would be very appreciated if anyone could give a force which the Newton 3rd Law could apply to, such as the Coulomb force, gravitational force.
 
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I offer no answer, but I think you've asked an excellent and quite fundamental question.
 
Drakkith said:
The first article explains why electrons move within zinc-copper interface by introducing energy required for the most energetic electron to escape from a metal (so-called work function). It is said that the most energetic electrons in zinc have more energy than those in copper. And because electrons in zinc love to stay in a low energy state, they flow from zinc to copper. Is my understanding correct?

Besides, the article has not discussed what the energy is and what force is applied when electrons flow from zinc to copper. In the second article you have cited, the energy is called chemical potential. Is it a scalar function? Can I take the gradient of that chemical potential? If yes, does the gradient make sense as some kind of force?
 
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