Whats wrong with my derivation?

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of work done related to force, stress, and volume changes in materials. The initial equation presented, dW = k.(dv/V).a.dx, is questioned for its clarity, particularly regarding the use of differentials. Participants express confusion about the relationship between volume change (dv) and length change (dx), suggesting that a consistent definition is necessary. The integration steps are critiqued, with emphasis on the need for clarity in treating finite versus infinitesimal changes. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of precise notation and relationships in deriving physical equations.
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force = stress x area [for a volume stress or normal stress and we are going to find out the work done ]
Force = bulk modulus x strain x area
F= K.s.a
F = K.(dv/V).a {change in volume by original volume}
work done dW = F.dx
dW = k.(dv/V).a.dx
integrating;
W = ∫ ∫k.(dv/V).a.dx
= ∫ ∫k.(dv/X).dx {area / volume = length}
= ∫k.(dv/X) ∫ dx
= ∫k.(dv/X)x
= k(v/X)x
Is this right, or what's wrong in my calculation [in t.book they've taken a.dx as volume change and then integrated. why not in this method}
my textbooks says its 1/2(Kv^/V)
v = change in volume
V = original volume
x =Change in length
X= Original lenth
K = bulk modulusthis is not a homework but a doubt of mine
 
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hi caspernorth! :smile:

i'm a bit confused as to what this is about :confused:, but the following line looks wrong to me …
caspernorth said:
dW = k.(dv/V).a.dx

i don't like seeing two d's on the RHS :redface:

shouldn't there be a relation between v and x, something like x = v/A so dx = dv/A, and you end up with a vdv ?
 
Things changed whilst I was thinking about this one, Hello Tiny Tim.

The book is correct because the force varies linearly from zero to F so averages 1/2F.

However, like Tiny Tim I am struggling to follow quite what you are doing.
 
I think part of the confusion is that you start off with "dV" being a finite change in volume (related to the amount of strain) and your "dx" is an infinitesimal change in length.

But when you integrate, you seem to be treating dv as an infinitesimal change of volume.

You can't use the "dv" to mean two different things, but as the other answers said its hard to follow exactly what you were trying to do.
 
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