When did hydrogen combine with oxygen

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The discussion revolves around the formation of water through the combination of hydrogen and oxygen, particularly in the context of Earth's geological history. Participants explore whether hydrogen combined with oxygen to form water during geological times or if this process occurred earlier. The conversation touches on theories regarding the origins of Earth's water, including the roles of comets, asteroids, and biological processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that hydrogen may have separated from oxygen rather than combining, noting that water was likely present when Earth formed.
  • There is a proposal that UV light from the sun splits water into hydrogen and oxygen, leading to the gradual loss of hydrogen into space and the oxidation of Earth.
  • One participant asks for clarification on the concept of Earth's oxidation and whether it relates to redox reactions.
  • Another participant highlights the debate over whether comets or asteroids delivered water to Earth or if it was already present, referencing isotope comparisons that challenge the comet theory.
  • It is mentioned that biological processes may have contributed to the increase in Earth's water volume over time, particularly through reactions involving hydrogen sulfide and carbon dioxide during early photosynthesis.
  • Participants share links to articles discussing the formation of water from geological processes deep within the Earth's mantle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the origins of Earth's water, with no consensus reached on whether hydrogen and oxygen combined to form water during geological times or if other processes were involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the specific mechanisms of water formation and the implications of isotope comparisons on the theories presented. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of geological and biological processes related to water's presence on Earth.

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This maybe a silly question but I do not know the answer.
Did hydrogen combine with oxygen to form water in geological times or did they combine before that
 
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If at all, it is rather that hydrogen separated from oxygen rather than combining. Water was already omnipresent when the Earth formed. However, the UV light from the sun constantly splits up water into hydrogen and oxygen. As hydrogen is lighter, more and more of it dissapears into space. Hence our Earth is slowly oxidized.
 
DrDu said:
Hence our Earth is slowly oxidized
Can you explain that concept more thoroughly please..
Are you referring to a redox chemical reaction?
 
wolram said:
This maybe a silly question but I do not know the answer.
Did hydrogen combine with oxygen to form water in geological times or did they combine before that
Hardly silly.
There is still a debate of whether or not comets/asteroids delivered the water to the earth, or if it was already present. Then again, isotope comparisons between the two, ( Earth's water and that of extraterrestrial ) do not compare, suggesting that the comet theory is not viable.

Although not a verifiable site, ( I will have to see if there is one ), this comment is worthy of discussion.
Throughout its history, Earth's water has increased in volume due to biological processes. In the early seas of Earth, hydrogen sulfide would have been in great supply, which, when reacted with carbon dioxide from the atmosphere during photosynthesis in sulfide-reducing bacteria, would have produced hydrogen, sulfur, and water. Many geologists believe that the majority of Earth's water generated through this process.
http://www.wisegeek.com/where-did-the-Earth's-water-come-from.htm
 
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256bits said:
The publication being referred to is:
Z. Futera et al., Formation and properties of water from quartz and hydrogen at high pressure and temperature, Earth Planet. Sci. Lett. 461 (2017) 54–60

The above numerical work follows from experimental results:
A. Shinozaki et al., Formation of SiH4 and H2O by the dissolution of quartz in H2 fluid under high pressure and temperature, Am. Mineral., 99 (2014), 1265-1269
 
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Thank you for the replies, I now have a better understanding of the subject.
 
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