When does the equation (z1z2)^w=(z1^w)(z2^w) hold for all complex values of w?

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The discussion revolves around the equation (z1z2)^w = (z1^w)(z2^w) in the context of complex numbers. The original poster attempts to verify the equation for specific values of z1, z2, and w, and seeks to understand the conditions under which the equation holds for all complex values of w.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the validity of the equation using specific complex numbers and question the application of logarithmic properties in the complex domain. Some express confusion about the necessity of using logarithms and the implications of multi-valued functions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of logarithms and the representation of complex numbers, but no consensus has been reached on the conditions for the equation to hold.

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There is a mention of the multi-valued nature of the logarithm in the context of complex numbers, and participants are grappling with the implications of this on their calculations. The original poster's approach raises questions about the assumptions made regarding the properties of exponents and logarithms.

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Verify that the equation (z1z2)^w=(z1^w)(z2^w) is violated for z1=z2=-1 and w=-i.
Under what conditions on the complex values z1 and z2 does the equation hold for all
complex values of w?

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((-1)x(-1))^(-i)=1^(-i)=e^ln(1^(-i))=e^(-iln1)=e^0=1

(-1)^(-i)x(-1)^(-i)=(-1)^(-2i)=((-1)^2)^(-i)=1^(-i) but this is the same as above.

Thanks in advance for helping. :-)
 
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Hi Lucy Yeats! :smile:

I'm afraid you can't just use the regular rules for "ln" on complex numbers.
"ln" is not a well defined function for complex numbers.
It's a so called multi-valued function.

You have a similar problem with a^(bc).
It is not just equal to (a^b)^c.
It's more complex. ;)Try using the length-angle representation of a complex number.
That is, ##z=r e^{i \phi}##, where ##0 \le \phi \lt 2\pi## and ## r \ge 0##.
So try writing -1 as ##e^{i \pi}## and 1 as ##e^0##.
 
I know that ln(z1z2)=lnz1+lnz2+2πin, where n is an integer.

I don't see why I need to use logs in this question. why can't I say:

(-1x-1)^(-i)=1^(-i)
(-1)^(-i)x(-1)^(-i)=((-1)^(-i))^2=(-1)^(-2i)=((-1)^2)^(-i)=1^(-i)

Thanks for helping!
 
Sorry, I see what you mean about the a^bc thing. Ignore the last post and I'll try again.
:-)
 
The step
(-1)^(-2i)=((-1)^2)^(-i)
does not hold.

Try the same step with e^(i pi), which is -1.

And no, you should not use logs in this question - at least not on complex numbers, but at most only on real numbers.
Lucy Yeats said:
Sorry, I see what you mean about the a^bc thing. Ignore the last post and I'll try again.
:-)
EDIT: Too late. ;-)
 
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