When is the electrically short really short?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which wires or cables can be considered electrically short and their implications for radiation and circuit performance. Participants explore the thresholds of wire length relative to wavelength, particularly in the context of radio frequency applications and circuit design.

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  • Some participants suggest that wires should be shortened to less than 1/20 wavelength to avoid acting as antennas, while others mention that even lengths of 1/50 or 1/100 wavelength may still radiate under certain conditions.
  • One participant highlights the importance of inductance in addition to radiation, noting that a short wire can have significant reactance that affects circuit performance, particularly at 100 MHz.
  • There is a discussion about how inductive coupling and reactance can lead to unwanted emissions and circuit disturbances, with specific examples provided regarding the impact on bipolar transistors and FETs.
  • Participants explore the implications of having reactance in series with circuit components, which can alter resonant frequencies and disrupt amplifier operation.

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Participants express differing views on the exact thresholds for wire lengths and the conditions under which they may still radiate or affect circuit performance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise limits and implications of inductance and reactance in various scenarios.

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Participants reference specific calculations and examples to illustrate their points, but there are no settled assumptions or definitions regarding the impact of wire length on radiation and circuit behavior.

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Hello

All this while in the literature it is advised to shorten your wires or cables to less than 1/20 wavelength in order for them to NOT act as antennas.

But I also read that sometimes even 1/50 or 1/100 wavelength at a certain fundamental frequency. For example, at 100 MHz, the wavelength is 3 m. Its 1/20 wavelength is 15 cm. 1/50 is 6 cm. Some say even this is not enough.

I would like to know when is it not enough? What are the conditions where the cable < 1/50 can still radiate? Many military specifications are strict about this and play safe by setting the dimensions too small.
 
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The problem isn't only radiation. It is also inductance.

For example, this site:
http://www.consultrsr.com/resources/eis/induct5.htm
gives a calculator for the inductance of straight wires.

A straight wire 2 inches long and 0.05 inches in diameter will have an inductance of 44 nH.

Doesn't sound like much, but at 100 MHz it will have a reactance of 27 ohms.

This is quite enough to stop many circuits from working properly.
If there was a lead like this in the emitter circuit of a bipolar transistor, or source lead of a FET, it could easily start it oscillating.

At 100 MHz, 2 inches of wire is about 1/60th of a wavelength. This is also about the length of the leads that come with a ceramic capacitor, so these always have to be trimmed leaving only enough wire to solder to.
 
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Thanks for the reply.

In other words, because of large inductance on the wire, the wire creates reactive fields. These reactive fields when in close proximity of other wires, transfer the RF energy and hence result in emissions. Is this explanation correct? Is this true even in the case of DC circuits?
 
You can get inductive coupling like that, or just having a reactance of 27 ohms in series with a 50 ohm load, or the low input impedance of a transistor amplifier, will totally disturb the operation of the circuit.

Having this much reactance in series with a coil that should be resonant at 100 MHz (with a capacitor) could pull the resonant frequency 10 MHz low, which would stop an amplifier working at all.
(I took an example of a 100 nH coil and 25 pF capacitor resonant at 100 MHz. Adding 27 nF in series with the coil drops the resonant frequency to 89 MHz)
 

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