Where did I go wrong in my solution?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a mass attached to a spring on a frictional surface. The user calculates the resting position of the mass after being released from 70 cm, arriving at an answer of 49 cm, which is slightly different from the TA's answer of 50.1 cm. Key points of confusion include the use of energy conservation and the effects of friction, with some participants noting that the acceleration is not constant during the mass's motion. The user is advised to reconsider the impact of friction and the validity of the kinematic equations used. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of accounting for variable forces in physics problems.
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Homework Statement


I have a physics midterm on Wednesday and I'm doing some practice problems to prepare. On one of them, I'm getting an answer that is extremely close to the answer my TA gave me for the problem and I can't tell if it's rounding or if I'm missing something.

A mass is attached to a spring and allowed to move horizontally along a surface with friction (assume that the equilibrium position is far enough away from the wall that the mass never hits it and the spring can both push and pull). m=10kg and uK=uS=0.1

If the mass is let go, at x=70 cm (where x=0 is equilibrium) where does it come to rest for the first time?

Homework Equations


A) 1/2kx^2=1/2mv^2 -Ff (conservation of energy)
B) Ff=Nuk
C) F=-kx
D) v^2-vi^2=2a(x-xi)

The Attempt at a Solution


-I used equation B to find the frictional force: (0.1)*(9.8)*(10) = 9.8 N

-I used equation C to find the force exerted by the spring: F=(-100)(.7)=-70N. I then used F=ma to get the acceleration: (-70)=(10)a, and a=7m/s^2

I solved equation A for v and got squareroot((kx^2+2f)/m) = v
--after plugging and chugging, i got a velocity v=2.62 m/s

I then plugged into equation D

(2.62)^2-0=2(7)(x-0)
x=.49 m = 49 cm

The answer my TA gave me was 50.1 cm. Am I doing something incorrectly?

Thanks so much!
 
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Your equation A mixes energy and force.
The spring constant is 100N/m, right? I get -8.4cm.
 
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kdb94 said:

Homework Statement


I have a physics midterm on Wednesday and I'm doing some practice problems to prepare. On one of them, I'm getting an answer that is extremely close to the answer my TA gave me for the problem and I can't tell if it's rounding or if I'm missing something.

A mass is attached to a spring and allowed to move horizontally along a surface with friction (assume that the equilibrium position is far enough away from the wall that the mass never hits it and the spring can both push and pull). m=10kg and uK=uS=0.1

If the mass is let go, at x=70 cm (where x=0 is equilibrium) where does it come to rest for the first time?

Homework Equations


A) 1/2kx^2=1/2mv^2 -Ff (conservation of energy)
B) Ff=Nuk
C) F=-kx
D) v^2-vi^2=2a(x-xi)

The Attempt at a Solution


-I used equation B to find the frictional force: (0.1)*(9.8)*(10) = 9.8 N

-I used equation C to find the force exerted by the spring: F=(-100)(.7)=-70N. I then used F=ma to get the acceleration: (-70)=(10)a, and a=7m/s^2

I solved equation A for v and got squareroot((kx^2+2f)/m) = v
--after plugging and chugging, i got a velocity v=2.62 m/s

I then plugged into equation D

(2.62)^2-0=2(7)(x-0)
x=.49 m = 49 cm

The answer my TA gave me was 50.1 cm. Am I doing something incorrectly?

Thanks so much!
I got the same as the TA. except mine is negative: x = - 0.50m.
 
rude man said:
I got the same as the TA. except mine is negative: x = - 0.50m.
That made me realize I hadn't read quite to the end of the question. My number was for where it comes to rest finally.
 
kdb94 said:

Homework Statement


I have a physics midterm on Wednesday and I'm doing some practice problems to prepare. On one of them, I'm getting an answer that is extremely close to the answer my TA gave me for the problem and I can't tell if it's rounding or if I'm missing something.

A mass is attached to a spring and allowed to move horizontally along a surface with friction (assume that the equilibrium position is far enough away from the wall that the mass never hits it and the spring can both push and pull). m=10kg and uK=uS=0.1

If the mass is let go, at x=70 cm (where x=0 is equilibrium) where does it come to rest for the first time?

Homework Equations


A) 1/2kx^2=1/2mv^2 -Ff (conservation of energy)
B) Ff=Nuk
C) F=-kx
D) v^2-vi^2=2a(x-xi)

The Attempt at a Solution


-I used equation B to find the frictional force: (0.1)*(9.8)*(10) = 9.8 N

-I used equation C to find the force exerted by the spring: F=(-100)(.7)=-70N. I then used F=ma to get the acceleration: (-70)=(10)a, and a=7m/s^2

You got the initial acceleration caused by the spring, and neglected the effect of the friction.
The acceleration is not constant during the motion, you can not use the kinematic equation D, valid for uniform acceleration.
 
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