Where do you consider yourself politically (Poll)

What to do you consider yourself politically?

  • 1: Very conservative

    Votes: 2 3.7%
  • 2: Conservative

    Votes: 5 9.3%
  • 3: Moderate

    Votes: 12 22.2%
  • 4: Liberal/progressive

    Votes: 15 27.8%
  • 5: Very liberal/progressive

    Votes: 9 16.7%
  • 9: None of the Above

    Votes: 11 20.4%

  • Total voters
    54
  • Poll closed .
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I truly find this all very sad. If people won't make an effort to answer the questions of others about their positions, gaining common ground/understanding becomes impossible.
Here at PF polls seem always to generate discussion about the poll, and it is in objections to the poll that the pollster can learn much about people's positions. I think that's really good. The actual polls end up being two-dimensional compared to the discussions where all the real meat is.
 
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Took the test on political compass, the wording on the questions are significantly biased to the left though. One gets the impression that corporations and the establishment are always evil due to the way they phrase it.

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FtlIsAwesome

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Interesting, I've become more right since the last time I took this test. And I expected to be lower on the chart.

Edit: As for the thread's poll, I picked none of the above. If I had to decribe myself, I'd say libertarian.
 

BobG

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By the way, "eccentric": (of a person or their behavior) unconventional and slightly strange.
This is a few years old, but in 2012, a record high, 42%, self-identified as "independent" (in 2005, it was an equal 33%, 33%, 33%).
http://www.gallup.com/poll/166763/record-high-americans-identify-independents.aspx

It is my perception that people are either not self-aware enough to know where they fit or just don't like being put in boxes, so they purposely falsely self-label, but either way, that leaves 57% who self-identify as Democrat or Republican. So no, my position on the issue of whether to self-identify as the closest to me even if it doesn't exactly fit is not "eccentric", it's the majority position. Yours is the "unconventional" position.
CNN does exit polls for each presidential election (which seem to be hard to find right now - perhaps they'll bring the old polls back closer to the election season). The fact that the questions are similar for several elections allows one to compare results.

The number of voters that consider themselves conservative, moderate, or liberal stays pretty consistent.

The number of voters that identify as Republicans, Independents, and Democrats varies. The number of Republicans has dropped, while the number of the Independents has increased. Democrats have fluctuated, with a slight drop, but have essentially remained flat.

So, yes, most "Independents" probably lean to the right. And most of the defectors were probably moderate Republicans, which has helped contribute to a more conservative Republican Party.

Not a great tactical adjustment. It would be better for moderate Republicans to fight it out within the party than to be a left with a choice between an extremely conservative Republican candidate and a Democratic candidate that is probably too liberal for them. But not a horrible result (so far), as the most extreme Republican candidates haven't survived the primaries (yet).
 

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I was going to vote none of the above because politics is a joke but i'm British so wouldn't be voting for any of them anyways =)
 
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politics is a joke
sad but true (rather politicians are a joke)

will you be voting in the Euro referendum?

it will be an opportunity to get rid of a lot of politicians.
 
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sad but true
The sad fact is that, typically, age scales linearly with political bias; the older you get, the more right you move. At least that's what my experience has been. Me included. When I was younger, I was extremely liberal and "progressive." But those were the days when I had faith in humanity. When you gain some years in wisdom, you see that at the end of the day, it really just boils down to a scramble for resources. There's no honor among thieves, the honorable thieves are selected out very early.

So at the end of the day, you're pitted politically against the good-willed idealism of the liberals versus the staid realism of the conservatives. It is that dynamic clash that drives coeval and coterminous politics.
 

russ_watters

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The sad fact is that, typically, age scales linearly with political bias; the older you get, the more right you move. At least that's what my experience has been. Me included. When I was younger, I was extremely liberal and "progressive." But those were the days when I had faith in humanity.
I have a number of teacher friends who went the same way. When they started off, they were idealistic, believing all people to be good and any failures to be state-induced. After a few years, they realized most of the failures they saw in their students were parent/culture induced.
 
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Some loaded questions in that survey, but interesting nevertheless.

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Anyone else thrown by this question?
"Multinational companies are unethically exploiting the plant genetic resources of developing countries."

What does that even mean? Sounds hippie, so I said "strongly disagree".
It doesn't really mean anything, they sometimes throw in a question like this to see how you respond to words like "multinational company" and "unethical exploitation".

Though I think it might have something to do with GMOs, the idea being that teams of scientists are sent out into the rain forest to find useful genes, because I guess biologists are basically Tyranids.

1. A Republican who favors coal, fracking and nuclear power and believes Global Warming is a conspiracy?
2. A democrat who favors solar and wind and vehemently opposes nuclear power and fracking?

The irony is that the environmentalist on the left favors preventing global warming, but takes positions that cause it to get worse, while the anti-science Republican denies global warming, but takes actions to fix it!
I don't really know of many Democrats who are opposed to nuclear power, from what I've seen nuclear opposition tends to be a fringe position. And of course, even though Republicans are generally more interested in nuclear power, the fact that they also tend to be more anti-regulation makes it a bit of a catch-22.

You might argue - and I agree - that the Religious Right is more specifically hostile toward science than any other group (extreme environmentalists tend to believe science is on their side, Republicans openly acknowledge they do not like science),
A lot of people on the religious right are quite confident that science is on their side, actually, that's kind of the problem. Many of the main creationist groups genuinely believe that they are doing science and advocating for better science education, the crazy people responsible for messes like Answers in Genesis are quite convinced that what they're doing is reconciling science with their religious beliefs rather than trying to attack science. So what really makes them dangerous isn't a hostility towards science itself, it's their attempts to appropriate science and use the trappings of scientific knowledge to push their agenda.

As for hostility towards science itself (rather than individual scientists, theories, or institutions), I really think that tends to come out of the extreme environmentalists rather than the extreme right, ie the ones who want us all to live in a big technology-free hippie commune in the woods. Speaking of hippie communes in the woods:

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russ_watters

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It doesn't really mean anything, they sometimes throw in a question like this to see how you respond to words like "multinational company" and "unethical exploitation".
While you might be right, the term "plant genetic resources" does turn-up half a million hits on google, including to a journal of some sort, by that name. So it must mean something to some people.
I don't really know of many Democrats who are opposed to nuclear power, from what I've seen nuclear opposition tends to be a fringe position. And of course, even though Republicans are generally more interested in nuclear power, the fact that they also tend to be more anti-regulation makes it a bit of a catch-22.
Here's a fairly recent poll on the matter:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/153452/americans-favor-nuclear-power-year-fukushima.aspx

Republicans were pro: 65%, oppose: 34% Democrats pro: 50%, oppose 45%. The "oppose" fractions of both are disappointingly high.
 

verkle

Strange that the pollster puts the word "progressive" after "liberal" AND "very liberal". It is a euphemism. Should rather use words like socialist and communist.
 

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