Schools Which Canadian university is best to study Physics at?

[Ryker]

Well, I need a bit of advice here. After long time struggling to decide whether at age 24 to switch careers or not, I've decided to do it and to apply for Physics programmes in Canada and the UK. The first offers have already been made and I the time to make a decision on where to go is drawing near. I might be making a similar topic for the UK, but this one's for Canadian universities.

Thus far, I've namely been offered admission at the following universities: University of Toronto, University of British Columbia and University of Western Ontario. I'm still waiting for a response from the University of Victoria and the University of Alberta, and I've been rejected by McMaster University (did not have the necessary pre-requisites, presumably lacking Chemistry in my final year of high school). Based on this, which of the 5 above-mentioned universities do you think offers the best education and the most opportunities for an undergraduate Physics student?

Any advice would be really helpful, because thus far the only reference points I have are university rankings, which would lead me to believe that UoT is best, followed by UBC, UoA and then possibly a tie between UoV and UWO. How accurate is this? Another point for me to consider would be differences in tuition fees and cost of living. UWO seems to be the cheapest and the cost of living is probably lower than BC or Toronto, as well (how is it compared to Edmonton, though?), but I'm not sure whether I would like to risk getting a better education in order to save some money. Though anywhere I go, my parents would be able to help me with my first year or two, I would need loans to support my studies. So all things being equal, I would prefer a cheaper alternative, however, quality of education still comes first and I guess if I'm taking a loan, I might as well take another 10 - 20k dollars if that will prepare me better for a job and possibly a PhD.

Thanks in advance, guys and girls of PF.

 

[skoomafiend]

Hey,

Im in a similar situation. If you wanted to get any missing 4U courses that you need as prerequisites, you should consider ILC. I was missing all 6 from my final year of high school and I am planning being enrolled at UofT for September 2011. I've done one of the 4U math courses so far, and I am just finishing up chemistry before moving on to the next one.

You should consider it if you have the time, plus its not bad for review purposes.

Best of luck.

http://www.ilc.org/

You should also consider McGill, it has a pretty solid physics program from what I understand. Also, Montreal is an awesome city and living costs are noticeably lower than Toronto or anything out in BC.

 

[Ryker]

Thanks for the response, but I guess those five universities that are written in bold are the bunch that my final choice is going to be made from, as I'm not going to apply to any additional ones. So any thoughts on those listed?

 

[Choppy]

The good news is that those are all good schools for physics, so there isn't really a bad decision there. You'll get a solid foundation in physics from any of them. I think in the US there is a little more emphasis placed on a school's ranking and perhaps more variability between schools.

The cost of living in Edmonton was lower than in the greater Toronto area and BC as of several years back. The housing boom a few years ago increased the cost of living in the area significantly though, so I don't know what it is exactly today. There's no provicial sales tax in Alberta.

 

[Ryker]

It's great to hear that I couldn't really go wrong with any of the choices. I guess what you're saying then is to choose based upon my personal preference for the city/finances/etc. and not the rankings?

But does any of those stand out in the letting-undergraduates-do-research department? I've checked out the websites, but can't really gather a lot of insight from there and sometimes it's the quality and the esthetics of the web design that can fool you into thinking a certain department is better than the other.

Oh, and is there a big difference between doing an Honours programme vs. a normal major? UBC namely told me that as a rule I could only do the latter (since it's my second degree), but that I may stand a chance (if I do well in my first year or if the GPA attained for my first degree can persuade them) to be allowed to do the Honours programme, nonetheless. So that is a bit of a deterrent as I want to really go for it this time and not settle for second best, at least not in the quality of the programme that I choose department. On the other hand, I am most attracted to living in British Columbia as far as provinces in Canada are concerned.

edit: Anyone with personal experience of listed universities - good or bad - perhaps?

 

[Ryker]

Hey, I'm bringing this topic back up, since I finally got the answers I needed from all universities I applied to, and I need to make a decision in a couple of weeks latest.

Basically, it now boils down to the choice between UBC or University of Toronto vs. University of Alberta. The first two seem to have a step on UofA in terms of rankings and prestige, but I'm unsure of whether there's actually a difference in quality itself. UofA, however, still seems to be up there with the best in Canada, right after the big three, and I guess at least on par with Waterloo and McMaster. In my case, it does have one clear advantage over UBC and UofT and that's the cost of attending it. I have namely been offered a scholarship, and coupled with the fact that I was granted some transfer credit (I wouldn't have to do Arts courses, which is top notch in my book) and tuition fees already being lower, it would cost me ~CDN$ 30 -40k less than the other two (it depends really, as due to me being granted transfer credit I'm not yet sure whether my first scholarship offer will hold up in its entirety).

Now, my question goes not only to Canadians, but other posters, as well. Making ends meet for UBC and UofT would be a stretch, as I would need to take out loans (if the euro holds up, perhaps only from my parents, who would be giving me ample "free" support as it is), whereas with UofA I'd probably make it without them, that is if I get some extra income through part-time work and summer paid jobs.

The question: Is UBC and UofT's reputation when applying to grad schools (outside of Canada, as well) and quality of Physics programmes that much greater than UofA's to warrant spending an extra ~CDN$ 30-40k on them? Though I'd much rather spend four years in Toronto or Vancouver, that alone doesn't yet justify such a difference, but noticeably bigger chances of getting accepted into a good grad school and better quality of programme could. I realize it's been said here often it doesn't matter much where you do undergrad, but I can't help thinking someone with equal credentials from a more reputed university would fare better with grad school applications. My question is, how much better?

 

[Choppy]

It'd debatable whether the other schools have a better reputation at all.

With less financial pressure you will have more time to devote to your studies as there will be less need to get a job, or at least you would have to work less hours. That should translate directly into the probability for a higher GPA or more opportunity for undergraduate research. GPA and research experience are far more important than school reputation (at least among the schools you've listed).

 

[physiker_192]

It'd debatable whether the other schools have a better reputation at all.

With less financial pressure you will have more time to devote to your studies as there will be less need to get a job, or at least you would have to work less hours. That should translate directly into the probability for a higher GPA or more opportunity for undergraduate research. GPA and research experience are far more important than school reputation (at least among the schools you've listed).

I would second what Choppy said.

Rankings don't always reflect how good a uni is (assuming there are like 12 000 universities and colleges world wide, if your uni is within the top 500 there it is certainly good).

As for graduate schools, the more important factor is your GPA and your bachelor research/thesis (and of course, the recommendation letters).

Working is distracting for studies, proper study needs time.

How I picked where to study was based on the syllabus contents & the faculty members (e.g. research, qualifications etc...).

Good luck.

 

[iratern]

Hi, I'm going to go to UofT next year as a freshman, granted I'm only 18 but I may have something to add. Although UofT is very well known research university in Canada and may have the best education in physics UofA is by no means inferior. I mean that $30-40k is too much money to spend especially considering that UofA, UofT, and UBC are all on the same par. UofT may have a little more "prestige" but for someone like you I don't think that its worth it.

I choose UofT for its research opportunities and its strength in both math and physics. Also I live in BC so I wanted to see the east coast as well. IMO though I would prefer UofA or UofT to UBC.

Hope that helps :D

 

[gretun]

I hear UofT is fame for GPA killing.

 

[Visigoth]

U of T is, by far, one of the best research schools in North America. This isn't to take away from the other schools, but if its research you want then UT is the place to go.

Good luck! Maybe ill be seeing you next September.

 

[iratern]

Visigoth, are you going to be a freshman at UofT as well? If you are, which college?

 

[Visigoth]

Visigoth, are you going to be a freshman at UofT as well? If you are, which college?

I'll be at the St. George college. I'm majoring in Engineering Science, however I may end up switching into Physics/Physics + Math depending on my tolerance level for engineering.

And you?

 

[iratern]

I was long undecided between EngSci and math/physics. I decided to take the math/physics route and hopefully graduate from the math and physics double specialist. I'm at St. George, new college. Are you going to stay in res?

 

[Visigoth]

Interesting, so we're in a similar boat. Perhaps you'll be hearing from me the next few months to see how things are going and offer some insight into my predicament!

Indeed I am, at Innis... just down the road from you. :)

 

[iratern]

Ok, nice to know, perhaps we'll encounter each other during our studies

 

[Heresy]

Interesting, so we're in a similar boat. Perhaps you'll be hearing from me the next few months to see how things are going and offer some insight into my predicament!

Indeed I am, at Innis... just down the road from you. :)

I'm also at Innis :)
Though I'm going into my third year

I hear UofT is fame for GPA killing.

That's BS.

 

[iratern]

Originally Posted by gretun

I hear UofT is fame for GPA killing.

That's BS.

that's nice to hear, oh heresy so how has 2 years at UofT physics been, are you happy that you are at UofT, and may I ask what are you considering to do after you graduate (i.e grad school).

 

[Visigoth]

I'm also at Innis :)
Though I'm going into my third year



That's BS.

In addition to iratern's query, which major are you in?

 

[iratern]

I believe he's in the physics specialist program.

 

[Heresy]

Yes, I am in the Physics Specialist program. Haha my identity is like completely blown, I'm the only 3rd/4th year in the building in my program

that's nice to hear, oh heresy so how has 2 years at UofT physics been, are you happy that you are at UofT, and may I ask what are you considering to do after you graduate (i.e grad school).

Very happy with UofT.
No idea what I want to do after I graduate, hoping to figure that out by the end of this summer. Graduate school is an option I've thought about, but it's not one of my priorities...

 

[Ryker]

It'd debatable whether the other schools have a better reputation at all.

With less financial pressure you will have more time to devote to your studies as there will be less need to get a job, or at least you would have to work less hours. That should translate directly into the probability for a higher GPA or more opportunity for undergraduate research. GPA and research experience are far more important than school reputation (at least among the schools you've listed).

I would second what Choppy said.

Rankings don't always reflect how good a uni is (assuming there are like 12 000 universities and colleges world wide, if your uni is within the top 500 there it is certainly good).

As for graduate schools, the more important factor is your GPA and your bachelor research/thesis (and of course, the recommendation letters).

Working is distracting for studies, proper study needs time.

How I picked where to study was based on the syllabus contents & the faculty members (e.g. research, qualifications etc...).

Good luck.

Thanks, that was helpful. I guess there really isn't that big of a, if any, difference between the schools I mentioned. I know Choppy is from Canada, don't know where physiker_192 you're from, but I guess I had a feeling schools would be on par within the country, but what I was thinking is UofT and UBC might be better known if I wanted to go to grad school abroad. Perhaps someone from the US or other countries, such as UK, Japan, Australia, etc. can chip in here, as well.

But I hear you both on work being distracting for studies. Even with my first degree I put in a lot of time and didn't work, since I had support from my parents, so I know proper studying does require a lot of attention, leaving time also to unwind. So that was one factor I already paid notice to, but I guess you assured me that is in fact an important one.

As for rankings not necessarily translating to how good a school is, I guess you could be right, as well, though I've heard of UofT being the "best" university in Canada for Physics from multiple sources. I was glad, however, to hear that UofA is right up there with (or right behind) the big three, as well.

Hi, I'm going to go to UofT next year as a freshman, granted I'm only 18 but I may have something to add. Although UofT is very well known research university in Canada and may have the best education in physics UofA is by no means inferior. I mean that $30-40k is too much money to spend especially considering that UofA, UofT, and UBC are all on the same par. UofT may have a little more "prestige" but for someone like you I don't think that its worth it.

I choose UofT for its research opportunities and its strength in both math and physics. Also I live in BC so I wanted to see the east coast as well. IMO though I would prefer UofA or UofT to UBC.

Hope that helps :D

No problem with you being 18 at all, as you've brought up some valid points. $30-40k is indeed a lot of money, and it now seems as if the price difference really would be around $40k and not "only" $30k. It's hard to say, of course, how that difference would diminish through possible scholarships and whatnot in later years, but at this moment these are the numbers I got.

I've heard of UofT being the leading research university in Canada, and coupled with the city that certainly holds great appeal. Though if I am lucky enough to be able to grad school, and with everyone recommending switching universities for that, I'd rather go to Toronto or Vancouver and possibly settle in there after I'm done, than to go the other way. I'm really worried about the cold in Edmonton, though :)

U of T is, by far, one of the best research schools in North America. This isn't to take away from the other schools, but if its research you want then UT is the place to go.

Good luck! Maybe ill be seeing you next September.

Interesting, so we're in a similar boat. Perhaps you'll be hearing from me the next few months to see how things are going and offer some insight into my predicament!

Indeed I am, at Innis... just down the road from you. :)

I was actually accepted into Innis, as well, though due to cost and not being guaranteed housing I would not stay in residence. As far as the research is concerned, I've addressed that in my reply iratern, and basically, I agree with you. But the problem I am left with is that this is not the only factor my choice will depend upon.

Basically, I am still convinced UBC or UofT are a bit better than UofA, and the cities are MUCH nicer, but factoring in everything that's been said here, I think I will, unless the euro takes a huge upside turn in the next days, go to Edmonton. I believe (and hope) that my education will not suffer because of this choice, and that perhaps due to Edmonton being cheaper, I will even be able to get more out of it. The decision is not yet final, so if anyone has anything to add, please do, and I'll keep you posted on what I decide.

 

[iratern]

Wait if you are considering grad school out of the US UofT is by far the most well known university in Canada on the international level.

By the way Heresy why isn't grad school a priority for you? Especially since I have the impression that the physics specialist is intended for grad school. Anyways I'm happy to hear that you are happy after 2 years at UofT some people (Vincebs) completely scare off prospective students.

 

[Ryker]

Wait if you are considering grad school out of the US UofT is by far the most well known university in Canada on the international level.

Yeah, that's what I figured. But I'm still not sure if that extra "prestige" or reputation would really make or break my application, and whether it's worth the additional cost.

 

[Visigoth]

Thanks, that was helpful. I guess there really isn't that big of a, if any, difference between the schools I mentioned. I know Choppy is from Canada, don't know where physiker_192 you're from, but I guess I had a feeling schools would be on par within the country, but what I was thinking is UofT and UBC might be better known if I wanted to go to grad school abroad. Perhaps someone from the US or other countries, such as UK, Japan, Australia, etc. can chip in here, as well.

But I hear you both on work being distracting for studies. Even with my first degree I put in a lot of time and didn't work, since I had support from my parents, so I know proper studying does require a lot of attention, leaving time also to unwind. So that was one factor I already paid notice to, but I guess you assured me that is in fact an important one.

As for rankings not necessarily translating to how good a school is, I guess you could be right, as well, though I've heard of UofT being the "best" university in Canada for Physics from multiple sources. I was glad, however, to hear that UofA is right up there with (or right behind) the big three, as well.


No problem with you being 18 at all, as you've brought up some valid points. $30-40k is indeed a lot of money, and it now seems as if the price difference really would be around $40k and not "only" $30k. It's hard to say, of course, how that difference would diminish through possible scholarships and whatnot in later years, but at this moment these are the numbers I got.

I've heard of UofT being the leading research university in Canada, and coupled with the city that certainly holds great appeal. Though if I am lucky enough to be able to grad school, and with everyone recommending switching universities for that, I'd rather go to Toronto or Vancouver and possibly settle in there after I'm done, than to go the other way. I'm really worried about the cold in Edmonton, though :)




I was actually accepted into Innis, as well, though due to cost and not being guaranteed housing I would not stay in residence. As far as the research is concerned, I've addressed that in my reply iratern, and basically, I agree with you. But the problem I am left with is that this is not the only factor my choice will depend upon.

Basically, I am still convinced UBC or UofT are a bit better than UofA, and the cities are MUCH nicer, but factoring in everything that's been said here, I think I will, unless the euro takes a huge upside turn in the next days, go to Edmonton. I believe (and hope) that my education will not suffer because of this choice, and that perhaps due to Edmonton being cheaper, I will even be able to get more out of it. The decision is not yet final, so if anyone has anything to add, please do, and I'll keep you posted on what I decide.

Good choice. Ultimately, your education is what you make of it. Think of the 5 most influential Physicists that come to your head. I'm sure you know a good amount of their contributions, and perhaps even specifics such as papers and theories they have proposed.

Now think for a moment: out of those 5, how many of their undergraduate programs & universities can you name? I would guess no more than 2.

 

[Ryker]

Good choice. Ultimately, your education is what you make of it. Think of the 5 most influential Physicists that come to your head. I'm sure you know a good amount of their contributions, and perhaps even specifics such as papers and theories they have proposed.

Now think for a moment: out of those 5, how many of their undergraduate programs & universities can you name? I would guess no more than 2.

Well, you're right I can't name their undergrad universities, but when looking it up I still usually come up with mostly big names, unfortunately :)

 

[Ryker]

Hmm, I'm not sure whether this is going to turn out as being silly, but could anyone take a quick look at the http://www.registrar.uAlberta.ca/pdfcal/10-11calendarpdf/CourseListings.pdf" for the University of Alberta and tell me whether I'm blind or is nuclear physics really omitted from the curriculum? That would probably be a huge gap in one's undergraduate education, wouldn't it?

 

[Heresy]

By the way Heresy why isn't grad school a priority for you? Especially since I have the impression that the physics specialist is intended for grad school. Anyways I'm happy to hear that you are happy after 2 years at UofT some people (Vincebs) completely scare off prospective students.

I don't know, I never really thought about it and the idea of doing a PhD never really appealed to me that much. Though I am starting to consider it, lol... I went into my first year only planning to do PHY131 as a fun elective since I liked doing physics in high school, then I added PHY132 for the hell of it in second term. After that I decided to do a physics major so I added PHY224/254/250. I needed another course for second term in second year so I added PHY256 for fun, and before I knew it I had signed up for the Physics Specialist simply because I really like physics... so I'll have to take PHY252 next term despite being in third year along with the rest of my program o_o

tl;dr - My... "journey through physics" kind of came onto me randomly and I never really imagined myself going this far into the subject. Who knows, maybe I'll continue this trend and end up aiming for a PhD or something haha...

 

[╔(σ_σ)╝]

U OF T has great grad programs the undergraduate program is not that great. However, it has a good reputation world wide.

UBC great school with great girls :) and it's also a good school overall.

A lot of the rankings you see online about Canadian Universities are trash. The universities here occasionally refuse to participate due to the politics involved.

 

[iratern]

I don't know, I never really thought about it and the idea of doing a PhD never really appealed to me that much. Though I am starting to consider it, lol... I went into my first year only planning to do PHY131 as a fun elective since I liked doing physics in high school, then I added PHY132 for the hell of it in second term. After that I decided to do a physics major so I added PHY224/254/250. I needed another course for second term in second year so I added PHY256 for fun, and before I knew it I had signed up for the Physics Specialist simply because I really like physics... so I'll have to take PHY252 next term despite being in third year along with the rest of my program o_o

tl;dr - My... "journey through physics" kind of came onto me randomly and I never really imagined myself going this far into the subject. Who knows, maybe I'll continue this trend and end up aiming for a PhD or something haha...

Wow! That is actually really interesting (cool :D). So it's like a random jump into physics.

UBC great school with great girls :) and it's also a good school overall.

(UBC has great girls? I live in Vancouver and have been there a couple of times, still no chicks! what am I doing wrong?)

A lot of the rankings you see online about Canadian Universities are trash. The universities here occasionally refuse to participate due to the politics involved.

I think that too (especially Macleans). But I think U of T is excellent for research opportunities.

 

[Theorem.]

The good news is that those are all good schools for physics, so there isn't really a bad decision there. You'll get a solid foundation in physics from any of them. I think in the US there is a little more emphasis placed on a school's ranking and perhaps more variability between schools.

The cost of living in Edmonton was lower than in the greater Toronto area and BC as of several years back. The housing boom a few years ago increased the cost of living in the area significantly though, so I don't know what it is exactly today. There's no provicial sales tax in Alberta.

That's right we only have 5% tax but no PST. I am currently in a mathematical physics program at the U of A. Like Choppy said, all those schools are considered to be exceptional .

 

[gretun]

Wow! That is actually really interesting (cool :D). So it's like a random jump into physics.




(UBC has great girls? I live in Vancouver and have been there a couple of times, still no chicks! what am I doing wrong?)

Agreed, most of them won't even look at me.

 

[Ryker]

That's right we only have 5% tax but no PST. I am currently in a mathematical physics program at the U of A. Like Choppy said, all those schools are considered to be exceptional.

Seeing as I am the OP, I am glad to inform you I will be joining you next year (straight up Physics, though)

 

[Theorem.]

Seeing as I am the OP, I am glad to inform you I will be joining you next year (straight up Physics, though)

glad to hear! The physics department is moving soon to an excellent new building. let me know what your first semester looks like (what profs/ classes) via pm?

 

[Theorem.]

Basically, I am still convinced UBC or UofT are a bit better than UofA, and the cities are MUCH nicer, but factoring in everything that's been said here, I think I will, unless the euro takes a huge upside turn in the next days, go to Edmonton.

The U of A has excellent specialization and honours program as well as resources and opportunities. If you are looking at overall departments, I would say that UofT and UofA both have incredibly strong chemistry departments and UBC has an exceptional physics department. But in all honesty, when it comes down to your undergraduate degree the story is completely different. All 3 schools are more or less equivalent. you would not be risking any graduate studies opportunities and would receive a good undergraduate education (at any of these schools). Oh and hey remember when Richard Taylor won the Nobel Prize in physics? yeah he was a U of A physics undergrad.

 

[╔(σ_σ)╝]

My honest advice to you, is to go to the University that cost you less money among those 3. This might not be a problem for you considering that, non-professional programs have relatively cheap tuition.

In terms the education you will get, I doubt you would lack anything if you choose one over the other.

 

[Ryker]

The U of A has excellent specialization and honours program as well as resources and opportunities. If you are looking at overall departments, I would say that UofT and UofA both have incredibly strong chemistry departments and UBC has an exceptional physics department. But in all honesty, when it comes down to your undergraduate degree the story is completely different. All 3 schools are more or less equivalent. you would not be risking any graduate studies opportunities and would receive a good undergraduate education (at any of these schools). Oh and hey remember when Richard Taylor won the Nobel Prize in physics? yeah he was a U of A physics undergrad.

Well that just made my day, as I'm really glad UoA is regarded as really good in teaching undergrads Physics. It still was a hard choice and if the cost was equal I'd probably pick UBC just for the sake of the city and overall reputation of the university. But that's water under the bridge now and I certainly am not going to think about "what ifs". I'm just going to try and make the best of what UoA and the city of Edmonton have to offer. I'm not used to such cold, though

My honest advice to you, is to go to the University that cost you less money among those 3. This might not be a problem for you considering that, non-professional programs have relatively cheap tuition.

In terms the education you will get, I doubt you would lack anything if you choose one over the other.

See above As for costs, though, I wouldn't say tuition is cheap, at least not when you're an international student.

 

[seto6]

i say University of Toronto S.t George

 

[seto6]

oh yeah don't of think going cheap uni make sure it has rep as in well known, so after you finish your undergrad you actually get a job.

 

[Kevin_Axion]

Adding to this thread I would like to ask which program would be better to enter to be prepared to study in Theoretical Physics for a graduate degree?
University of Waterloo Pure Mathematics:
http://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/PM_Dept/Undergrad/undergrad.shtml
http://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/PM_Dept/Undergrad/Courses/schedule.May2010.pdf
University of Waterloo Mathematical Physics:
http://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/AM_Dept/mathPhys/
http://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/AM_Dept/undergrad/courses.shtml
McGill Mathematics and Physics Joint Honours:
http://www.physics.mcgill.ca/ugrads/math.html

 

[╔(σ_σ)╝]

See above As for costs, though, I wouldn't say tuition is cheap, at least not when you're an international student.

Oh yeah, that always sucks. You will probably be paying around 12k/year on tuition excluding Res and other necessities.

To be honest with you, if I were you I would rather school in toronto; it's easier to rough things out here.Plus, things are more lively and interesting over here and not to mention less cold.

I school in toronto btw :) lol.

 

[iratern]

Adding to this thread I would like to ask which program would be better to enter to be prepared to study in Theoretical Physics for a graduate degree?
University of Waterloo Pure Mathematics:
http://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/PM_Dept...ndergrad.shtml
http://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/PM_Dept...le.May2010.pdf
University of Waterloo Mathematical Physics:
http://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/AM_Dept/mathPhys/
http://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/AM_Dept.../courses.shtml
McGill Mathematics and Physics Joint Honours:
http://www.physics.mcgill.ca/ugrads/math.html

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when I was doing my research I compared those programs as well. To tell the truth I was most interested in U of T's and McGill's, but I did apply to waterloo and UBC as well.
There's a member here nicksauce who did his undergrad in physics at mcgill, he may be able to give you more info on the program.
But from my viewpoint McGill's program seems really solid, and Montreal is beautiful. I would also consider U of T, but it's up to you. Waterloo may be really good if you're into the computational side (you have to take CS courses at waterloo 2 I think or the special CS148).
It all depends on your interests lifestyle etc but if you consider reputation then McGill is the more obvious choice.

BTW waterloo has 2 math/physics programs, one in the faculty of math and the other in the faculty of sciences. Be careful they are really similar but you never know.

Disclaimer: I am attending Toronto this fall so I am not really a good info source. But I did research these programs,

 

[iratern]

I school in toronto btw :) lol.

U of T? If you are which year and program?? I'm going there this fall so I want some as much background knowledge as I can get

 

[Kevin_Axion]

Thanks, do you think Pure Mathematics is considerable if you want to study Theoretical Physics or is the best approach Mathematical Physics or Joint Honours Mathematics and Physics.

 

[╔(σ_σ)╝]

U of T? If you are which year and program?? I'm going there this fall so I want some as much background knowledge as I can get

Oh dear, no. I do not go to uofT.

I attend Ryerson and I just completed my 2nd Year in Electrical Engineering.

However, a lot of my friends from Highschool did eventually chose to go there.

I was supposed to study pure math at uoft in the fall of 2008 however, my parents persuaded to otherwise and I ended up in engineering at Ryerson Uni.

 

[novop]

Thanks, do you think Pure Mathematics is considerable if you want to study Theoretical Physics or is the best approach Mathematical Physics or Joint Honours Mathematics and Physics.

The latter. Certain math courses aren't as useful as others (for physics), so if you choose the joint honours degree, you'll learn only the necessary math and also the more math oriented physics.

I would recommend McGill for that program btw. I'm in the majors program, but I'm envious of those in the joint honours program :). Also, Montreal is a beautiful city (not that Toronto isn't).

 

[Ryker]

Oh yeah, that always sucks. You will probably be paying around 12k/year on tuition excluding Res and other necessities.

Even more than that. And there are actually significant differences between universities, as well. UBC, for example, would have me pay ~$CAD 23.5k, UofT ~$CAD 24.5k and UofA ~$CAD 19k per year. So yeah, it's pretty expensive going there and not studying at home.

To be honest with you, if I were you I would rather school in toronto; it's easier to rough things out here.Plus, things are more lively and interesting over here and not to mention less cold.

Heh, what do you mean by rough things out? I mean, in any case, the decision has already been made, regretfully out of financial reasons mostly, but like I said, I'm pretty sure I'll get a good education in Alberta, as well, and right now I don't regret my choice. I do agree with the lively, interesting and less cold part, however, and those were some of the reasons why all other things equal I would have preferred to live in Vancouver or Toronto.

 

[╔(σ_σ)╝]

Even more than that. And there are actually significant differences between universities, as well. UBC, for example, would have me pay ~$CAD 23.5k, UofT ~$CAD 24.5k and UofA ~$CAD 19k per year. So yeah, it's pretty expensive going there and not studying at home.

Lmao. They are definitely out to milk you. U Of A was a better idea. Besides, U of T is notorious for zero scholarships, unless you're getting 4.0 you are not getting anything.

Heh, what do you mean by rough things out? I mean, in any case, the decision has already been made, regretfully out of financial reasons mostly, but like I said, I'm pretty sure I'll get a good education in Alberta, as well, and right now I don't regret my choice. I do agree with the lively, interesting and less cold part, however, and those were some of the reasons why all other things equal I would have preferred to live in Vancouver or Toronto.

I think you made a good decision. Regardless of whatever difference in education exist between Uof and Uof A or UBC and Uof A I doubt it would be worth the extra pocket cash of 4.5k/year.

Honestly, in Canada most schools provide the same education. The only difference you may see is in exams and student quality ; different schools focus on different things and "better" school attract better minds. The difference in exam content is usually affected by the research or general interest of the professor. The course content of most Canadian Universities are extremely identical; same textbooks even. The whole , this university is much better than that one thing, is largely due to the fanboyism of the students and the age of the school.

Go to U of A try to get good grades and make lasting friendships with some profs ( for good references in case you are thinking of grad school ). If you can do this I don't think you will have any problems in your future endeavours.

By going to U of A you aren't selling yourself short; I assume you.

 

[Ryker]

Lmao. They are definitely out to milk you. U Of A was a better idea. Besides, U of T is notorious for zero scholarships, unless you're getting 4.0 you are not getting anything.

I think you made a good decision. Regardless of whatever difference in education exist between Uof and Uof A or UBC and Uof A I doubt it would be worth the extra pocket cash of 4.5k/year.

The difference would be even greater, as I got a scholarship at UofA, whereas with UBC and UofT I didn't. Taking everything into consideration I think the difference (depending on whether I perform well enough to retain the scholarship in upper years) would be in the range of $CAD 30 - 50k, though of course it's hard to consider job opportunities and other factors that can later come into play and help alleviate the financial burden.

Honestly, in Canada most schools provide the same education. The only difference you may see is in exams and student quality ; different schools focus on different things and "better" school attract better minds. The difference in exam content is usually affected by the research or general interest of the professor. The course content of most Canadian Universities are extremely identical; same textbooks even. The whole , this university is much better than that one thing, is largely due to the fanboyism of the students and the age of the school.

Go to U of A try to get good grades and make lasting friendships with some profs ( for good references in case you are thinking of grad school ). If you can do this I don't think you will have any problems in your future endeavours.

By going to U of A you aren't selling yourself short; I assume you.

Again, good to hear. I'll be sure to make the most of it and not regret not being at another institution. My first and foremost wish was to go to Canada, anyway.

 

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The difference would be even greater, as I got a scholarship at UofA, whereas with UBC and UofT I didn't. Taking everything into consideration I think the difference (depending on whether I perform well enough to retain the scholarship in upper years) would be in the range of $CAD 30 - 50k, though of course it's hard to consider job opportunities and other factors that can later come into play and help alleviate the financial burden.

Great to hear ! Those scholarships help alot!

Again, good to hear. I'll be sure to make the most of it and not regret not being at another institution. My first and foremost wish was to go to Canada, anyway.

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Make the most of it, man!

When I first got into Ryerson I regretted it a bit but I have come to like it. I believe I have had some opportunities that I won't have had, if I had been else where. After my second year, I was granted a 5k scholarship and a job at hydro one, plus I was able to get NSERC and a bunch of other scholarships. The scholarship at Hydro One was given to me and another girl from U of T; which is why I have come to believe that I didn't make such a bad decision .To get NSERC at U of T is very challenging, considering the enormous amount of competition ( u of t is a much larger school than Ryerson). I believe the relative "smallness" of my school worked to my advantage.

What I am trying to say is that, going to Ryerson turned out to be a blessing rather than a mistake. And in no way has my position as a Ryerson Student affected any of my opportunities ,in fact ,it has had the opposite effect.That scholarship you got has opened up a lot of opportunities for you; you won't realize until later. As much as scholarships are supposed to be "fair" , a lot of scholarship committees would most likely give you another scholarship if you previously had one.

At least that is how it worked for NSERC! The more accomplishements you have ,apart from a 3.7gpa or what not, the more favorable you are.Enjoy your time at U of A, the benefit of going there is already apparent.