Which Values Should I Use When Calculating Power in a Circuit?

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The discussion revolves around the appropriate values to use when calculating power in electrical circuits, specifically whether to use RMS (Root Mean Square) values or peak values. The conversation touches on theoretical considerations, practical applications, and the nuances of different circuit types.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that RMS values are standard for calculating power in circuits.
  • Others question the relevance of RMS versus peak values, particularly in circuits with significant reactive elements or non-sinusoidal waveforms.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of knowing both instantaneous voltage and current to accurately measure power dissipation in components.
  • There is mention of the average power being calculated as the mean value of voltage and current over time, with specific formulas provided for pure resistive components.
  • Concerns are raised about the assumptions involved in using the 1/√2 factor for converting peak to RMS values, particularly for non-sinusoidal waveforms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the use of RMS versus peak values, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved. There is no consensus on which approach is definitively correct for all scenarios.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to assumptions about waveforms and circuit types, as well as the potential inaccuracies when applying RMS calculations to non-ideal conditions.

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When I am calculating the power in the circuit , do I use the RMS values , or the peak values and why ?
 
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RMS values are standard.
 
Thank you !
 
Nile Anderson said:
When I am calculating the power in the circuit , do I use the RMS values , or the peak values and why ?
I may be being difficult but what circuit and where is the value of the power, relevant? The peak power in a circuit with significant reactive elements in it could be very relevant - particularly if the waveform is not close to a sinusoid. RMS is certainly near enough for Jazz in most cases.
 
sophiecentaur said:
I may be being difficult but what circuit and where is the value of the power, relevant? The peak power in a circuit with significant reactive elements in it could be very relevant - particularly if the waveform is not close to a sinusoid. RMS is certainly near enough for Jazz in most cases.
Sorry , it would be sinusoidal in nature. What did you mean by enough for jazz though ?
 
Nile Anderson said:
Sorry , it would be sinusoidal in nature. What did you mean by enough for jazz though ?
"Near enough for Jazz" is a common expression which means 'accurate enough for the purpose'. When you read an unfamiliar idiom, Google is almost certain to help you with it. There a dozens of hits for "near enough for jazz".
Measuring Power in an electrical circuit has a few issues. If you really want to know the power being dissipated in a component (Resistor,light bulb, LED, motor - you name it) you need to know both the instantaneous Volts and the Current. Then the Mean power for any component is the average value of VI, over a given time. That involves no assumptions and involves measurements of two quantities. If the component is pure Ohmic resistance then you can use
Instantaneous Power = V2/R or I2R and use either just V or I.
To find the average power - say over a cycle or an hour, you average all those instantaneous values of power. The 1/√2 figure that people use for working out RMS power from Peak Volts (for instance) definitely assumes a sine wave and a pure resistance and would not work perfectly for any other waveforms or non ohmic loads.
So "you pays your money and you takes your pick" :wink:
 
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sophiecentaur said:
"Near enough for Jazz" is a common expression which means 'accurate enough for the purpose'. When you read an unfamiliar idiom, Google is almost certain to help you with it. There a dozens of hits for "near enough for jazz".
Measuring Power in an electrical circuit has a few issues. If you really want to know the power being dissipated in a component (Resistor,light bulb, LED, motor - you name it) you need to know both the instantaneous Volts and the Current. Then the Mean power for any component is the average value of VI, over a given time. That involves no assumptions and involves measurements of two quantities. If the component is pure Ohmic resistance then you can use
Instantaneous Power = V2/R or I2R and use either just V or I.
To find the average power - say over a cycle or an hour, you average all those instantaneous values of power. The 1/√2 figure that people use for working out RMS power from Peak Volts (for instance) definitely assumes a sine wave and a pure resistance and would not work perfectly for any other waveforms or non ohmic loads.
So "you pays your money and you takes your pick" :wink:
Cool thank you so much for your input , it was really helpful
 

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