Why are emission spectra of stars rarely shown?

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The discussion revolves around the reasons why emission spectra of stars, particularly the Sun, are rarely shown. Participants explore the challenges associated with capturing these spectra, especially in relation to the brightness of the Sun and the conditions required for observation, such as during an eclipse.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that analyzing light from the outer edge of a star could yield an emission spectrum, questioning the necessity of waiting for an eclipse.
  • Others express confusion about the need for an eclipse, proposing that sampling light from the outer edge of the Sun should suffice.
  • One participant clarifies that without waiting for an eclipse, the thermal emission spectrum from the Sun would overwhelm the observations.
  • Another participant explains that the brightness of the Sun's disc causes excessive light interference, complicating the capture of detailed spectra.
  • It is mentioned that terrestrial coronagraph telescopes can provide some imaging of the corona, but they are limited by atmospheric effects.
  • A suggestion is made about using a large disc in front of a space telescope to create an artificial eclipse, though this would require careful guidance and positioning in space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the challenges posed by the Sun's brightness and the necessity of eclipses for clearer observations, but there remains uncertainty about alternative methods and their effectiveness.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific observational conditions, the effects of atmospheric interference, and the technical challenges of capturing emission spectra without eclipses.

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e.g I dont think I ve ever seen one of our Sun.
According to this link you just have to anlayse the light that isn't coming from a place on the star that has a light the source directly behind it e.g wouldn't looking at light from the outer edge of star give you an emission spectrum?

http://www.thestargarden.co.uk/Spectral-lines.html
 
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Yes thank you so much phys guy..that makes perfect sense. I am still not quite sure why they have to wait for an eclipse, I would have thought they could just sample light coming from the outer edge of the Sun, but anyways I am sure they have their reasons ;)
 
pkc111 said:
Yes thank you so much phys guy..that makes perfect sense. I am still not quite sure why they have to wait for an eclipse, I would have thought they could just sample light coming from the outer edge of the Sun, but anyways I am sure they have their reasons ;)
If you do not wait for an eclipse you will be completely blinded by the thermal emission spectrum from the Sun.
 
yes I read that, so I am wondering why you wouldn't use a camera (viewed on a monitor) to just select from the outer light ring?
 
pkc111 said:
yes I read that, so I am wondering why you wouldn't use a camera (viewed on a monitor) to just select from the outer light ring?
Should be a doddle? No. The brightness of the Sun's disc is so great that there is far too much 'spillage' of light on its path through the atmosphere to get the detail that a total eclipse can give us.
It is possible to get an imperfect image of the corona with a terrestrial coronagraph telescope. This puts a disc over the intermediate image inside the scope which covers the Sun's main part. But it only takes you so far. You can't get away from the effects of the atmosphere. Hubble does some solar measurements by this method ( a different camera from the deep space one!) An alternative would be to use a large disc at some distance in front of a space telescope to produce your own 'eclipse' but it all needs to be out in space and carefully guided.
 
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