Why are spheres and triangles so important?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the significance of spherical and triangular shapes in nature and their implications for understanding the universe. Participants delve into the reasons behind the spherical shape of celestial bodies, the structure of the human eye, and the potential shape of the universe, while also touching on concepts related to light and color perception.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that spheres are prevalent in nature, such as in the shapes of the Earth, sun, and eyes, suggesting a connection to gravity and evolution.
  • There is a proposal that the universe might be spherical due to its expansion from a singular point, although this is not presented as a fact.
  • Others question the idea of the universe being spherical, stating that its actual shape is unknown and may only appear spherical due to observational limitations.
  • Participants discuss the properties of spheres, including their symmetry and the ability of spherical eyes to rotate, which some argue is advantageous for vision.
  • There is speculation about whether the universe could be hollow and what that might imply about its structure and existence in "black" or "white" space.
  • Some express a philosophical view that understanding the human body could lead to insights about the universe, while others caution against forming beliefs without empirical backing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the shape of the universe and the reasons for the spherical shapes found in nature. While some propose models and hypotheses, others challenge these ideas, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the universe's shape and the definitions of terms like "core." The conversation also reflects a blend of scientific reasoning and philosophical speculation without definitive conclusions.

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I've notice that our eye balls are spheres, our Earth is a sphere and our sun is a sphere.. Now that makes me wonder. If our universe is a sphere, i already know scientist think so, but its still something to even think more into. Now this is the big part, triangles are important as well. Like a prism, you shine white light inside of a prism and you get the color of the rainbows. Now this is a dicussion i had in class, with my fellow sapiens. I know the only reason we see certain colors is because the color of our sun and evolution and so on. But if white is the combination of all colors, or combination of red, blue and green. But then what about black? If black is the absence of color how does white appear in space? Is the outside of space white? And space has like an atmosphere of its own but its just black with a bunch of stars inside of it? Just mind boggling. Share your beliefs and if I am in the wrong post please direct me to the right one. lol
 
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Sun and Earth are spheres because gravity made them that way
Eyes are spheres because evolution made them that way:
those born with spherical eyes could move them in their sockets, whereas those born with square eyes could look in only one direction: towards the tv
:-)

Seriously though, if you think about things being a certain shape, there are always reasons. Therefore if you think the uiverse might be spherical, then you would need to think of a reason 'why' it would be spherical, and not just because 'other' things are spherical (a good line of reasoning might be that the universe started off as a small point and expanded equally in all directions thus naturally ending up spherical... not fact, just explaining my point)

spheres have their centre point equidistant form every point on the surface, that is a unique property that means some objects end up that shape, and that shape only
 
eyes are sphere because the infinite axes of symmetry mean it can rotate in the eye socket with minimal problems!
 
Molydood said:
Sun and Earth are spheres because gravity made them that way
Eyes are spheres because evolution made them that way:
those born with spherical eyes could move them in their sockets, whereas those born with square eyes could look in only one direction: towards the tv
:-)

Seriously though, if you think about things being a certain shape, there are always reasons. Therefore if you think the uiverse might be spherical, then you would need to think of a reason 'why' it would be spherical, and not just because 'other' things are spherical (a good line of reasoning might be that the universe started off as a small point and expanded equally in all directions thus naturally ending up spherical... not fact, just explaining my point)

spheres have their centre point equidistant form every point on the surface, that is a unique property that means some objects end up that shape, and that shape only


But isn't it a core that makes it a sphere? So if the universe has a core of such, then what type of core would it have? Lol i know there are no answers i just like talking about things like this. Sometimes i think the universe is like a mirror. When you go to a solon or any store with a mirror and you put one behind you and one in front, you will see an ever lasting image. I wonder if the universe is like that, but if it is like that wouldn't it have to be flat? Just want to see others point of views. No "right" or "wrong" answers here lol.
 
MikeyW said:
eyes are sphere because the infinite axes of symmetry mean it can rotate in the eye socket with minimal problems!

I understand where you are coming from but, its soo mind boggling that our eyes and other animal eyes are spheres... Its like if we learn the human body to the fullest we automatically get the answer to the universe. What the hell made our organisms make a sphere shaped eye.. It likes we made computers after us, its like a copy cat, and we are a copy at of the universe. But is the universe a copy cat of itself? You see where I am coming from or am i like crazy? Lol
 
Rayman9102 said:
But isn't it a core that makes it a sphere? So if the universe has a core of such, then what type of core would it have? Lol i know there are no answers i just like talking about things like this. Sometimes i think the universe is like a mirror. When you go to a solon or any store with a mirror and you put one behind you and one in front, you will see an ever lasting image. I wonder if the universe is like that, but if it is like that wouldn't it have to be flat? Just want to see others point of views. No "right" or "wrong" answers here lol.

You can have a hollow sphere, so it would not have a 'core'. I don't know what you mean by 'core' however, especially when you talk about the universe.
 
Rayman9102 said:
I understand where you are coming from but, its soo mind boggling that our eyes and other animal eyes are spheres... Its like if we learn the human body to the fullest we automatically get the answer to the universe. What the hell made our organisms make a sphere shaped eye.. It likes we made computers after us, its like a copy cat, and we are a copy at of the universe. But is the universe a copy cat of itself? You see where I am coming from or am i like crazy? Lol

A little crazy but it doesn't hurt as long as you don't just randomly philosophies and then believe what you randomly came up with.

It IS true that if we understood everything about anything (even a single particle) we would be able to extrapolate a huge amount of information about the rest of the universe. And as for the eye thing, remember, our eyes are pressurized fluid bags... so spheres are pretty much a natural shape. Never-mind the fact that you can rotate spherical eyes which has seemed to work out.
 
James Leighe said:
You can have a hollow sphere, so it would not have a 'core'. I don't know what you mean by 'core' however, especially when you talk about the universe.

The Earths core (center) and gravity made it a sphere correct? But, if our Universe is a hollow sphere, then is it floating in black space? or white space? If black is the absence of color then how does white and other colors appear in it? Or is it just its the absence of human color because the way we evolved with our sun?
 
James Leighe said:
A little crazy but it doesn't hurt as long as you don't just randomly philosophies and then believe what you randomly came up with.

It IS true that if we understood everything about anything (even a single particle) we would be able to extrapolate a huge amount of information about the rest of the universe. And as for the eye thing, remember, our eyes are pressurized fluid bags... so spheres are pretty much a natural shape. Never-mind the fact that you can rotate spherical eyes which has seemed to work out.

Lol, thanks a lot. Not going to believe it unless i can back it up with math of such. Thats why I am going to go into college for quantum physics. And see what happens from there. But thanks a lot.
 
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The Universe is not spherical. Nobody knows what shape the universe is.
Maybe you are talking about the observable universe, and that's spherical only because we cannot 'see' further (speed of light).
 
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antd said:
The Universe is not spherical. Nobody knows what shape the universe is.
Maybe you are talking about the observable universe, and that's spherical only because we cannot 'see' further (speed of light).

I see what you are saying. Thanks for the reply.
 
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Rayman9102 said:
I understand where you are coming from but, its soo mind boggling that our eyes and other animal eyes are spheres... Its like if we learn the human body to the fullest we automatically get the answer to the universe. What the hell made our organisms make a sphere shaped eye.. It likes we made computers after us, its like a copy cat, and we are a copy at of the universe. But is the universe a copy cat of itself? You see where I am coming from or am i like crazy? Lol

owl eyes are cylindrical so they can focus more light! that's why they always move their heads around lots - no rotation is possible in their socket.
 
  • #13
MikeyW said:
owl eyes are cylindrical so they can focus more light! that's why they always move their heads around lots - no rotation is possible in their socket.

Very well said and thanks a lot for the reply and information! :)
 

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