Why can't X-Rays travel through water?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the interaction of X-rays with water, specifically exploring why X-rays, particularly soft X-rays, cannot travel through water. Participants examine the underlying physics of these interactions, including the photoelectric effect and the differences between soft and hard X-rays.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the claim that X-rays cannot travel through water, suggesting that water is not opaque to X-rays.
  • Another participant references a paper on sonoluminescence to support their point, indicating that soft X-rays specifically are discussed in relation to their interaction with water.
  • There is a distinction made between soft X-rays and hard X-rays, with hard X-rays being described as more penetrating due to their higher frequency.
  • A participant explains that at lower photon energies, the photoelectric effect dominates, leading to stronger absorption of soft X-rays compared to hard X-rays.
  • The same participant notes that soft X-rays with energies below 1 keV cannot penetrate materials like paper, while hard X-rays with energies above 50 keV can penetrate much denser materials, including water and steel.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on why soft X-rays specifically cannot propagate through water.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the opacity of water to X-rays, with some asserting that water is not opaque while others emphasize the limitations of soft X-rays. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific mechanisms that prevent soft X-rays from traveling through water.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to specific photon energy thresholds and the effects of the photoelectric effect, but does not resolve the implications of these factors in a comprehensive manner.

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I read that X-Rays cannot travel through water and I wanted to understand why. What happens when X-Rays and water molecules interact that prohibit X-rays from traveling within water?
 
Science news on Phys.org
http://www-als.lbl.gov/index.php/holding/167-isotope-and-temperature-effects-in-liquid-water-probed-by-soft-x-rays.html
Above describes interactions between x-rays and water. Water is not opaque to x-rays.
 
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nst.john said:
I read that

And you aren't going to tell us where, so we can't then look it up and find out what they are talking about?

You are mostly water. If water were opaque to x-rays, you would be too. Does this sound right to you?
 
Where do they mention x-rays in that paper? Can you indicate at least the page?
 
nasu said:
Where do they mention x-rays in that paper? Can you indicate at least the page?

It's on the last page, left hand column, the paragraph immediately preceding "Noble Addition".
 
OK so they are referring to Soft X-rays not traveling through water which is basically correct

medical X-rays are "Hard" X-rays ( higher frequency)

http://www.genesis.net.au/~ajs/projects/medical_physics/x-rays/

The clinical application of X-rays to form images
Hard and soft X-rays
Hard X-rays are X-rays with a higher frequency and are more penetrating than soft X-rays. Soft X-rays are usually filtered when doing a scan because they can't penetrate through a patient's body and add needless risk of radiation damage.
Dave
 
Okee doke thank you for the clarification. But why can't soft xrays propagate through water?
 
At reasonable* photon energies the main interaction between x-rays and matter is through the photoelectric effect: The photon gets absorbed by an atom and produces a free electron and a "hole" in the electronic configuration of the atom.

The photoelectric cross section decreases very fast with the photon energy, i.e. low energy, soft x-rays are absorbed much stronger than high-energy, hard ones.

In practice this means that x-rays with E<1keV cannot penetrate a sheet of paper whereas hard x-rays with E>50 keV can go through a lot of stuff - several centimeters of water, bones, even steel, rocks, etc.

Visible light, IR and so on can travel through some materials if the photon energy is smaller than the band gap/smallest binding energy of the material. In that case the photons do not have enough "punch" to produce an electron-hole pair.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoelectric_effect

* "unreasonable" according to this definition starts at a few 100 keV
 

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