Why degrees are equal if polynomial are equal?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the equality of two polynomials, f(x) and g(x), and their degrees. Participants explore the implications of polynomial equality, seeking a rigorous proof for the assertion that equal polynomials must have equal degrees. The conversation touches on various fields, including infinite fields and finite fields, and considers different cases and examples.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that if two polynomials are equal, then their degrees must also be equal, suggesting an intuitive understanding based on their graphs.
  • Another participant agrees that if f(x) = g(x), then they are the same function, implying all properties, including degree, are equal.
  • A participant provides a proof approach assuming an infinite field, stating that the difference f - g is a polynomial that must be zero if it has infinitely many zeros.
  • Concerns are raised about specific cases in finite fields, such as GF[2], where polynomials can have different degrees but yield the same graph.
  • Another participant suggests using the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra to argue that equal polynomials must have the same roots, thus the same degree, while also discussing the nature of the zero polynomial.

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Participants generally agree that equal polynomials should have equal degrees, but there is contention regarding specific cases in finite fields and the implications of different characteristics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the applicability of the initial assertion across all fields.

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Limitations include the dependence on the characteristics of the fields being discussed and the unresolved nature of certain examples, particularly in finite fields where polynomials may behave differently.

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Two polynomial f(x) and g(x) are equal then their degrees are equal.
This is a very trivial statement and it shouldn't worry me much but it is.

I get an intuitive idea why they should be equal. Their graphs wouldn't coincide for unequal degrees.
But what if somehow the coefficients make f(x) = g(x) for all values of x?

Is there a more rigorous proof for this statement?
 
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? if f(x)=g(x) then of course they are of the same degree, the two functions are equal.
I'm not quite sure what you're asking, if two functions are the same then everything about them are equal.
 
First assume our field is infinite, like R or C. The difference between two polynomials is a polynomial, so f−g is a polynomial. Since f(x)=g(x) for all x, this means that f−g have infinitely many zeros, whence f−g=0.

Now, for Z/pZ , p prime, we have x^p−a=x−a, since x^p=x
 
HomogenousCow said:
? if f(x)=g(x) then of course they are of the same degree, the two functions are equal.
I'm not quite sure what you're asking, if two functions are the same then everything about them are equal.
Yes, I know its obvious. But I was looking for a proof.
rattanjot14 said:
First assume our field is infinite, like R or C. The difference between two polynomials is a polynomial, so f−g is a polynomial. Since f(x)=g(x) for all x, this means that f−g have infinitely many zeros, whence f−g=0.

Now, for Z/pZ , p prime, we have x^p−a=x−a, since x^p=x
Thanks for the proof.
By your last line are you suggesting that this isn't always the case.
 
Avichal said:
Yes, I know its obvious. But I was looking for a proof.

Thanks for the proof.
By your last line are you suggesting that this isn't always the case.

If you are using the two-element field (i.e. GF[2]) then the polynomial function f(x) = x3 + 1 and the polynomial function g(x) = x + 1 both have the same graph:

0: 1
1: 0

As formal polynomials they have different degrees. But as polynomial functions they have the same graph.
 
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Assuming fields of characteristic zero , re the cases brought up above by jbriggs and rattan, maybe you can use the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra (considering complex roots ), to argue that both must have the same roots and therefore the samenumber of roots.

Otherwise,how about this: if f=g, then f-g =0 is the zero polynomial ( not just the number zero). But every
non-zero polynomial has only finitely-many roots, while the zero polynomial (over char. zero ) does not. Then
f-g must be the 0 polynomial:

0*x^n +0*x^{n-1)+...+0*x+0.
 

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