Why dimensions can be treated as algebraic quantities?

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The discussion revolves around the treatment of dimensions as algebraic quantities in physics, specifically addressing the confusion regarding the multiplication and addition of units such as meters and seconds. Participants explore the implications of this treatment in the context of physical formulas and units.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand why multiplying units like seconds results in seconds squared, questioning the analogy with counting physical objects like apples. Other participants discuss the algebraic treatment of units in physics, providing examples related to velocity and acceleration.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's confusion, offering explanations and examples to clarify the concept of treating dimensions algebraically. There is a recognition of the importance of unit consistency in physical equations, though no consensus has been reached on the original poster's specific concerns.

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Some participants note the challenge of comparing quantities with different units, emphasizing the need for dimensional analysis in physics. The discussion reflects a mix of personal interpretations and attempts to reconcile intuitive understanding with formal definitions.

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Hi, in my physics book (serway) they say "dimensions can be treated as algebraic quantities" but I don't understand this very well. If I sum meters I get meters, if I multiply meters I think I get meters^2 because the area of a rectangle is b.h. But if, for instance, I multiply seconds.seconds I don't uderstand why I get sec^2.

Algebraically x.x = x^2 but x represent a a number not time, weight, etc.

I see it like 3 apples x 2 apples = 6 apples^2.

Probably I'm getting this wrong, Could you help me to understand this right please?

As always, excuse me if my english isn't very clear.
 
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i hope this helps

asking such question, i assume you are like me, a person fusing about how everything tiny detail functions,:approve:

yes it is rite that they can be treated as algebraic quantities,
in physics, a letter is usally used with the inclusion of units
we say, the force is donated by F, not F N as in F Newton

the apple case is rite, but we don't see ourselfs multiple apples by apples do we,we can say, i bought 6 sets of 4 apples, that implies 4 * 6 applies ie 24 apples but we don't see ourselves multiplying apples by applies

we can treat them as algebric quanties as we always express them as rates (unit 1) / (unit 2), such as in velocity (m/s) but we find it better to treat units as algebric qualites as exampled in the case of acceleration
a= (v_f - v_0) / t where v_f is the final velocity and v_0 is the intial velocity which is denoted by the unit (m/s) and time in s
then a's unit must be (m/s * 1/s)

we donate this unit
(m * 1)/ (s*s) which is m s^-2

lets give it a numberic value as well
the acceleration of a car is 2 metres per second per second or 2 metres per second squared ( to the north) . then in a 1 sec period, the cars speed changes m s^-2 * 1s =2 metres per second or (2m/s)/s * 1s = 2 metres per second

so really there is not sec^2 in the world but it exists as sec and is usually expressed as the rate of something ( unit 1 (eg. Joule)/ sec) and then it follows that the rate of change of that rate is ( unit 1/ sec / sec) which is better expressed as (unit 1 s^2) and as seen in the acceleartion case multple this by a value of time will result in the change if the other rate in that time period!

I hope this is suppose to help you more than to add confusion!
PS my english is not so perfect either!
 
Yes that is true calculus_jy , the units like J*m/s^3 don't exists, they just help us to see what a specific physical formula tells us. And also to make sure that what is on the left side is the same as the right side. You can't compare a quantity that has the units J/T with another one that has m/s^3
 
Thank you for your answers.
 

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