Why Do Different Methods Yield Different Accelerations in This Friction Problem?

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Different methods for solving a friction problem yield varying accelerations due to miscalculations in force analysis. The initial calculations for box A show that the friction force exceeds the applied force, suggesting both boxes should move together. However, two approaches to the problem produce different acceleration results: one considers the boxes as a single system while the other analyzes them separately. The discrepancy arises from incorrect assumptions about the forces acting on the lower block and the friction involved. Properly addressing these forces and drawing a free body diagram can clarify the solution and resolve the inconsistencies.
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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


F=ma
Ff = N u

The Attempt at a Solution


Pretty much, I did the same thing in the solution.

For box A:
N = mg
Ffs = mg*uk = 9.81*20*.4=78.48N

I note that Ffs > 60 N, so the boxes will move with the same acceleration

Now there are two ways I can approach this problem, each gives me a different answer??

1) Take two boxes as the same system, then Fx = 70*a = 60 ==> a = 0.857 m/s^2
2) Look at the FBD of box 2, note that Fx = 50*a = 60 ==> a = 1.2 m/s^2

However, both of these answers are different than the solution.

Where did I mess up (and why do 1 &2 give different solutions?)
 
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Solution messed up the math, although equation is correct. . When you look at the lower Block , you did not properly address the force acting on the lower block. It isn't 60. Draw an FBD.
 
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Check for errata. Looks like they did 60 = 70a --> a = 70/60, which is wrong.
 
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PhanthomJay said:
Solution messed up the math, although equation is correct. . When you look at the lower Block , you did not properly address the force acting on the lower block. It isn't 60. Draw an FBD.

Isn't this the FBD? Ffs on the top block is -60N, and since its an action-reaction pair it should be +60N on the 50kg blockEDIT: Actually, now that I think about it, the friction on the bottom/top block should be different, because its making the top block accelerate.

So the I have more equations to solve:

20a = -Ff + 60
50a = Ff

20a = -50a + 60
70a = 60
a = 60/70

Thank you everyone for your help
 
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