Why Do Eddy Currents Form Circular Loops?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the formation of eddy currents, specifically why they tend to form circular loops. Participants explore the underlying concepts, including the influence of magnetic fields and the geometry of the systems involved, while also addressing related statements about eddy currents in transformer cores.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the circular nature of eddy currents and seeks clarification on related statements about induced emf and molecular short circuits.
  • Another participant notes that the shape of eddy currents is influenced by the structure and geometry of the generating system, suggesting the application of Lenz's law and the Lorentz force equation to understand this.
  • Some participants acknowledge that while many sources describe eddy currents as circular, there is uncertainty regarding this characterization, especially in the context of unlaminated transformer cores.
  • A participant proposes that the term "circulating" could refer to currents moving through a circuit rather than strictly in a circular path, suggesting that the shape may be more complex, potentially spiraling in unlaminated cores.
  • One participant attempts to relate the discussion to Faraday's Law, explaining how the induced voltage and electric fields can be negligible at the molecular level, which may contribute to the confusion about the nature of eddy currents.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact nature of eddy currents, with multiple competing views regarding their shape and the factors influencing their formation remaining present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the geometry of the systems and the definitions of terms like "circular" and "circulating." The relationship between induced voltages and eddy currents at different scales is also noted as potentially unresolved.

Pranav Jha
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i know i haven't understood the concept of eddy current and that is why i am posting this question:
why are EDDY currents CIRCULAR (why form a loop in circular form)?

please also explain this answer that statement that i found on : http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_an_eddy_current
"When time-varying magnetic field is applied to electrical machines like transformers, a time-varying emf is induced in the transformer cores(i get this). A SHORT CIRCUIT OCCURS AT THE MOLECULAR LEVEL IN THE CORE(this, i don't quiet understand)"
 
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The actual shape of the eddy currents depends on the structure and geometry of the system that is generating them,and can be found by the application of Lenz's law and or by applying the Lorentz force equation.
 
Dadface said:
The actual shape of the eddy currents depends on the structure and geometry of the system that is generating them,and can be found by the application of Lenz's law and or by applying the Lorentz force equation.

what confuses me is most sources state the eddy currents being circular.
 
Pranav Jha said:
what confuses me is most sources state the eddy currents being circular.

I have a vague memory of hearing that sort of statement before and I think it was in connection with the eddy currents that would be generated in the iron core of a transformer if it were solid rather than laminated.Hopefully someone will come in and elaborate on these circular currents but in the meantime a little bit of research is needed.
 
Pranav,I now think that the relevant word I recall is "circulating".Although this can mean moving in a circle it can also mean,in the context of your question,moving through a circuit and returning to the starting point.Having thought about this briefly my first impression is that the eddy currents in an unlaminated core have a complex shape which spirals.
 
Pranav Jha said:
i know i haven't understood the concept of eddy current and that is why i am posting this question:
why are EDDY currents CIRCULAR (why form a loop in circular form)?

please also explain this answer that statement that i found on : http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_an_eddy_current
"When time-varying magnetic field is applied to electrical machines like transformers, a time-varying emf is induced in the transformer cores(i get this). A SHORT CIRCUIT OCCURS AT THE MOLECULAR LEVEL IN THE CORE(this, i don't quiet understand)"
To adequately explain this, and the need for laminations, we have to go back to Faraday's Law, in integral form:

[tex] <br /> \oint_C\bold{E\cdot}d\bold{\ell} = -\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\int_S \bold{B\cdot n}\;\;dS<br /> [/tex]

The path on the left side is the perimeter of the surface (area) on the right side. The area need not be a circle. The magnetic flux in the area on the right creates a voltage in the circumference on the left. Let's consider a square area. The area, or the induced voltage, is proportional to L2, where L is the length of a side. The perimeter of the square is 4L. So the voltage per unit path length (E or electric field) is 4L/L2, or 4/L. So the induced electric field, and the resultant eddy current at the molecular level is negligible compared to macroscopic areas.

A standard 60 Hz transformer gets about 0.25 volts per square inch of iron area. The electric field around the perimeter is about 0.25/4 = 0.06 volts per inch. If the area was a micro-inch on a side, the electric field would be 60 nano-volts per inch. The voltages, electric fields, and eddy currents on a molecular scale are negligible.

Bob S
 

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