Why do water streams get thinner as they fall?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the behavior of a falling water stream, specifically how its radius changes as it descends from a faucet. Participants are exploring the relationship between the initial velocity of the water, gravitational acceleration, and the stream's radius at various heights below the faucet.

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  • Participants are attempting to derive an equation for the radius of the water stream as a function of height. Questions have been raised regarding the forces acting on the water, the constancy of volume flow rate, and how the cross-sectional area changes with distance. There is also discussion about the implications of gravity on the stream's shape and volume.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations and approaches being explored. Some participants are questioning the mathematical expressions used and their relevance to the problem. There is a focus on clarifying the relationship between volume flow rate and the stream's radius as it falls.

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Homework Statement


Develop an equation that will allow you to determine the radius of the stream (r) at any distance (y) below the rim of the faucet.

It would seem that the initial velocity of the water coming out of the faucet and the acceleration due to gravity have something to do with the radius of the stream at any point.

Homework Equations


The only equations needed are :
Area of a circle,
Volume of a cylinder,
v=vo + at
y=yo + vy0t+ 1/2 at2

The Attempt at a Solution


I solved for a faucet opening of .96 cm and determined that the water exits at 7.67cm3/sI don't even know if what I found is relevant but I am really stuck and any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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What are the forces on a small cylindrical section of a stream of falling water?
 
In terms of the cross sectional area of the stream and the downward velocity of the water, what is the volume flow rate of the water? Is the volume flow rate out of the faucet constant? Does the volume flow rate change with distance below the faucet? If the downward velocity of the water is increasing with distance from the faucet, what is happening to the cross sectional area?

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As it fall a volume V of water gets thinner and longer due to gravity. This means that dV/dt is the same at t1 and t2 so until the water stream breaks up I got: dr/dt = g/2 *( dr**2/dh).
 
astolfo said:
As it fall a volume V of water gets thinner and longer due to gravity. This means that dV/dt is the same at t1 and t2 so until the water stream breaks up I got: dr/dt = g/2 *( dr**2/dh).
The question asks for r as a function of y. Time should not enter into it.
Presumably your answer refers, on the left, to how the radius of a given parcel of water varies with time as it descends. Is that also what the RHS refers to, with ##h=h_0-y##?
 
astolfo said:
As it fall a volume V of water gets thinner and longer due to gravity. This means that dV/dt is the same at t1 and t2 so until the water stream breaks up I got: dr/dt = g/2 *( dr**2/dh).
I'm not sure this is helpful. Particularly as I'm not clear what dr**2/dh is supposed to be - you may wish to check the LaTeX Guide linked below the reply box to learn how to format maths here.

I think the key observation needed is to answer the third question posed by Chestermiller above - is the volume of water passing a point in any given time independent of height?
 
Ibix said:
I'm not clear what dr**2/dh is supposed to be
I think it is a fair guess that it means ##\frac{dr^2}{dh}##, but since, for a given parcel of water, h is changing as a function of t it possibly should be ##\frac{\partial r^2}{\partial h}##
 
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