Why do x-ray machines increase cancer risk?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the risks associated with x-ray machines, particularly their potential to increase cancer risk due to the ionizing radiation they emit. Participants explore the nature of x-rays, their historical use, and the implications of exposure in both medical and non-medical contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that x-rays emit radiation that can ionize atoms, potentially leading to biological effects.
  • Others clarify that the term should be "ionizing" rather than "deionizing" radiation, although they suggest this distinction may not be crucial to the discussion.
  • Historical anecdotes are shared regarding the use of x-ray machines in shoe stores, with participants reflecting on past practices and their implications for health.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety of x-ray exposure, with references to medical professionals advising against unnecessary x-ray procedures.
  • There is a discussion about the differences between x-rays and visible light, with some participants arguing that x-rays are a form of electromagnetic radiation, while others suggest that this classification can hinder understanding.
  • Participants mention the use of x-ray machines in security contexts, such as at airports, and discuss the relative safety of these applications compared to medical x-rays.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the terminology and implications of x-ray exposure. While some acknowledge the risks associated with ionizing radiation, others emphasize the historical context and evolving medical practices. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding the safety of x-ray exposure in different contexts.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the safety of x-ray exposure, the definitions of radiation types, and the historical context of x-ray use. Participants do not fully resolve these issues, leaving room for further exploration.

  • #31
Danger said:
Oh, man! New word of the day... :smile:
I'll be using that one, for sure.

The fact is, I just call the whole damned works EM, but I wouldn't razz someone for calling them radio waves.
That's what you get from going to a good English School, my boy. We learned to talk proper and learned a huge vocabulary. (I can refer to you a 'son' now I know about your extreme youth.)
 
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  • #32
What's the evidence that those shoe-fitting X-ray machines harmed anyone?
 
  • #33
“Years or decades may elapse between radiation exposure and a related occurrence of cancer, and no follow-up studies of customers can be performed for lack of records. Without such an epidemiological study, it is impossible to conclude whether this machine actually caused any harm to customers.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe-fitting_fluoroscope
 
  • #34
According to medical physicists I've talked to, not only has their been better awareness of health concerns (you may remember <a href="http://gajitz.com/1950s-radioactive-science-kit-most-dangerous-toy-ever/"> this</a>), but also the technology for energy control, tight-beam collimating, signal processing, and more have made X-rays far safer than they once were. Apparently CT scans use 100 times less radiation than they did only 15 years ago.

At least that's a little comforting when your kid's standing in front of that screen. That, and that there are a couple on this page who have had their doses and still have sharp minds!
 
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  • #35
sophiecentaur said:
We learned to talk proper and learned a huge vocabulary.

Oh, I knew the word already; I'd just never seen it used in such a humourously ridiculous context before. I've always lived in farming country, so aeration is a daily issue. :-p
 
  • #36
Bobbywhy said:
Who knows how much X-ray radiation they were sending through our little feet?

The feet are the least affected part of the body w.r.t. radiation. It's a question of how fast cells turn over. The faster the more effect.

That's not to say it was a good idea. Radiation that can be avoided probably should be, presuming the avoidance cost (effort, risk, etc.) is small. So wearing a hat to avoid sunburn makes good sense. Taking x-rays only when medically necessary makes good sense. Refusing to attend engineering classes at university of Toronto because one of their buildings has walls tiled with uranium glazed tiles probably is not good sense.
Dan
 
  • #37
acesuv said:
I hear they emit radiation which deionizes atoms. Is this due to the frequency of the x-ray? Is x-ray light considered radiation?

As others mentioned, ionizing, not de-ionizing.

X-rays can modify molecules, including DNA. Sometimes this means that exactly the change in DNA will happen that turns a cell from a normal healthy cell into a cancer cell.

There is a statistical component to this. If 1 million people get x-rays, some fraction will get cancers that would not otherwise be expected. And some will get cancers without the x-rays.

There is also a general health thing, since your immune system is capable of dealing with some cancer cells. That is part of the statistical thing. Your immune system catches some fraction. The more that there are the more likely some get by and make you sick.

There is also some controversy. One theory, the standard one, is that there is no lower limit to the dose that produces damage and increased risk. The risk is proportional to the dose, and the "no threshold" theory says this goes right down to zero.

Another theory, a controversial one, is that there is a threshold. Below that limit, the theory goes, no damage is done. The notion is sort of like getting a tan and then being resistant to getting a sunburn. But you should be aware that many people think this theory is wrong.
 

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