Why do you put up with Windows?

[faust9]

And Yes Last time I installed FedoraCode 3. I was happy to get latest on my P4 but as I installed it I could not play my Mp3 In its player, So I got this Wine or Some Mediplayer for Linux. When I doubleclicked its RPM It did install something But Then nothing happned, It said It needed some files to run software. Now I am already listening Mp3 on WinXP . No what do U have to say about that ? Why can't thing work smoothly on first go ?

Oh, come on now.

My Gentoo system works the first time almost every time when I install a new piece of software. I highly recommend Suse for its ease of configuration and use. Debian IS easy to use(though the text installation is scary to some).

Now to say you got an MP3 player to work the first time on XP makes XP better is a long stretch. Which MP3 player are you using (are you sure it doesn't include spyware)? Which anti-viruse system resource hog are you running--My linux and Mac OSX boxes don't need anti-virus software. How often do you need to defrag(not really required if you did an NTFS install)? Why Microsoft still ships FAT is beyond me.

XP has more than its fair share of faults--security being the biggest. Oh, I forgot Bill Gates told the IT community Microsoft was going to concentrate on security THIS year (as opposed to the previous five years of saying the same thing with little to show for it).

You can keep you spam-spreading, virus infested, trojan running, call M$ to activate, bloated-inefficient, spyware oozing operating system if you like. Me, I'll run a superior OS (MacOSX) for my daily use and my toy (Gentoo) OS to play with.

 

[RoboSapien]

Now what is this Gentoo

I was talking about linux.

Windows dosent have all such Jargons.

And FAT32 I need it for my Win98 partition. The fact that I still use Win98 over linux should tell something to those nerds what Linux is lacking, Bye.

 

[faust9]

Now what is this Gentoo

I was talking about linux.

Windows dosent have all such Jargons.

And FAT32 I need it for my Win98 partition. The fact that I still use Win98 over linux should tell something to those nerds what Linux is lacking, Bye.

Windows doesn't have Jargon? And cars don't have tires either.

Gentoo is Linux.

http://www.gentoo.org/

And its inconsequential that you "need" FAT32. The fact still remains that it is an awful hodge-podge of a file system.

 

[tarunjot]

I don't think any of those Linuxes or Unix are that much user friendly as is WIndows..
U don't have to be professionaly trained to work on the WIndows operating system,..
its something you just learn without much effort..

Yes the open source may be the uture.. but user friendliness is what accounts more.. i feel

 

[faust9]

I don't think any of those Linuxes or Unix are that much user friendly as is WIndows..
U don't have to be professionaly trained to work on the WIndows operating system,..
its something you just learn without much effort..

Yes the open source may be the uture.. but user friendliness is what accounts more.. i feel

This one of the biggest chunks of FUD floating around about *nix. Install Suse and you'll see it's as user unfriendly as windows(get a mac for usability IMO).

 

[Anttech]

get a mac for usability IMO

bah, with the 1 button mouse, why on Earth do they bundle those with the hardware if they want to be taken seriously, looks over userbility imho

 

[faust9]

bah, with the 1 button mouse, why on Earth do they bundle those with the hardware if they want to be taken seriously, looks over userbility imho

Expose' is my retort. Also if you want more buttons get a logitec; however, 90% of your computing needs are accomplished with one button. As far as one button usability goes give your 70 Y/O mother a computer and try to explain why there are three buttons, when to push each of the buttons, oh don't worry mom you break the middle button it's supposed to roll like that... I went through that, so don't try and tell me more buttons somehow equals usability because I'd beg to differ.

 

[Anttech]

Interesting, I didnt realize that 70 Y/O mothers where the mainstream computer users, if you find a 3 button mouse difficult I think you will find any OS difficult to master... From Fedora core to OSX

 

[Anttech]

Now what is this Gentoo

Gentoo is a distrubution of Linux

wiki

FYI:

The term Linux strictly refers to the Linux kernel

wiki

 

[The Idiot]

I use Windows, Linux (which uses the Fedora Core 2 Desktop), and every once in a while a Mac, with OSX. I can see the good and bad in all of them. I think I'll be getting more into Linux than I am right now, but I won't stop using Windows, either.

It's true that Linux and Mac systems don't really need antivirus programs. People who program viruses want to mess up as many people as they can... They can do that with Windows, because more people have it and because it does have some security problems.

Macs don't have to be used with one-button mice... Any mouse will work. If you're missing the right-click, though, control-click does the same thing.

I'll still use Windows, but I'm not against any other operating system. Linux, in my opinion, is genius. The only problem may be the minor inconsistencies with the many distrobutions. Macs are good, too, because for one, they don't have to worry about the great differences in architecture that Windows-run machines have to. Also, OSX is Unix-based, so it's very reliable.

 

[franznietzsche]

Interesting, I didnt realize that 70 Y/O mothers where the mainstream computer users, if you find a 3 button mouse difficult I think you will find any OS difficult to master... From Fedora core to OSX

How is fedora on the opposite end from OS X?

 

[poolwin2001]

Anyway,the reasons the article mentions for ditching windows are just B.S.
I use Win9x S.E on an ole 800MHz PC and have never had a problem with worms/trojans etc.
You need not dwnld all the patches/upgrades if you are just using it for home purposes.

 

[Anttech]

How is fedora on the opposite end from OS X?

I never sated a scale... I was mearly making a point, which I hope you got

 

[tarunjot]

This one of the biggest chunks of FUD floating around about *nix. Install Suse and you'll see it's as user unfriendly as windows(get a mac for usability IMO).

buddy.. i tried installing linux once, but that was inviting more of problems.. maybe that was coz of my faults.. but i have installed and re-installed windows so many times without a problem..
but what i feel like knowing is that why do we actually need to shift to linux or any open source.. i mean who actually would benefit.

 

[faust9]

buddy.. i tried installing linux once, but that was inviting more of problems.. maybe that was coz of my faults.. but i have installed and re-installed windows so many times without a problem..
but what i feel like knowing is that why do we actually need to shift to linux or any open source.. i mean who actually would benefit.

Again, more FUD. Did you try to install Suse? Installing Linux runns the gammit from the most difficult build from source distros (LFS) the the easy (Suse, Mandrake, Linspire).

Heck, Debian with it's graphical install is as easy as Windows. Answer the questions and it installs.

As for why opensource? Well, this website uses php--you benefit. I dare say the host for this site runs apache on an open OS--you benefit. The latex equation ability of this site is open (well, latex is from what I understand it's use on this site is not in an of itself an open project) you benefit. If you want to minimize your chances of getting a WINDOWS VIRUS download the open project firefox and its mail counterpart thunderbird--you benefit.

If you really don't think there is a benefit to OSS then you should start consulting all of the companies migrating to this form of software development. Oh, and don't forget to tell adobe to lockdown the PDF format while your at it. OSS works and benefits you because a lot of the projects are taken up as labors of love and the partcipants are willing to spend many sleepless nights solving a bug or patching a security hole; whereas windows is retisent to even admit it has these hols (Gartner just critiqued MS for spending too much time telling people flaws are not in fact flaws instead of admitting to these security holes and telling people how to avoid them).

Hey, if you want to keep your virus/trojan box by all means feel free. My Mac runs fine w/o a virus detector and so does my Gentoo box(both are open source: the Mac kernel and all of the software on my Gentoo box).

 

[Dr-NiKoN]

bah, with the 1 button mouse, why on Earth do they bundle those with the hardware if they want to be taken seriously

Exactly how is the 1-button mouse not serious and a 2-button mouse is?

Are you saying that pressing down ctrl when you click is hard? Isn't it serious enough for you?

The serious, professional users will 90% of the time use keyboard-shortcuts which are much faster than right-click -> menu -> click.

And, if it really is that big of a problem get a 15-button mouse, install USBOverdrive and configure your mouse-buttons to write mathematical theorems for you.

The "lol 1 butan"-argument has to be the weakest argument I've ever heard against Macs.

 

[faust9]

buddy.. i tried installing linux once, but that was inviting more of problems.. maybe that was coz of my faults.. but i have installed and re-installed windows so many times without a problem..
but what i feel like knowing is that why do we actually need to shift to linux or any open source.. i mean who actually would benefit.

Moreover, how much easier do you wnat linux installation to be? http://www.mepis.org/book/view/7

There are a lot of linux distros which are liveCD(boot and run OS from CD in about 5 minutes) which allow the OS to install AFTER you boot to an operating OS. Imagine booting up, selecting install, going online, reading e-mail, writing a technical document playing a game or whatever you want to do in 5 minutes(not counting the time to burn the ISO).

 

[faust9]

Interesting, I didnt realize that 70 Y/O mothers where the mainstream computer users, if you find a 3 button mouse difficult I think you will find any OS difficult to master... From Fedora core to OSX

Again, you have not shown how more buttons equals more usability. More buttons=more confusion for neophytes. 90% of my computer needs are met with one button. the other 10% I can accomplish by pressing the apple or option or ctrl keys, or simply clicking on an appropriate icon using the one button.

I'll give you more buttons helps in professional applications like autocad or even adobe apps but professionals usually purchase the correct hardware tools to accompany their software ie wacom tablets(why don't PC's come with these they are useful).

I have yet to be slowed down because of my 1 button (I do have a 6x8 intiuos for high end apps) mouse. My average computer needs are more than met with the 1 button mouse--e-mail, net, word processing, matlab/maple, etc.

 

[Anttech]

More buttons=more confusion for neophytes. 90% of my computer needs are met with one button

Interesting, funny but interesting... Where did you pluck 90% from?

Exactly how is the 1-button mouse not serious and a 2-button mouse is?

just my opinion... I would prefer more useability over the looks of my hardware...

Anyway sorry if I offened anyone, I just don't like Macs, I have used them many times, and I always end up just doing almost everything I have to via the shell on OSx

 

[Asphyxi8]

Because I play computer games. And I hate the Mac OS.

 

[tarunjot]

Again, more FUD. Did you try to install Suse? Installing Linux runns the gammit from the most difficult build from source distros (LFS) the the easy (Suse, Mandrake, Linspire).

Heck, Debian with it's graphical install is as easy as Windows. Answer the questions and it installs.

As for why opensource? Well, this website uses php--you benefit. I dare say the host for this site runs apache on an open OS--you benefit. The latex equation ability of this site is open (well, latex is from what I understand it's use on this site is not in an of itself an open project) you benefit. If you want to minimize your chances of getting a WINDOWS VIRUS download the open project firefox and its mail counterpart thunderbird--you benefit.

If you really don't think there is a benefit to OSS then you should start consulting all of the companies migrating to this form of software development. Oh, and don't forget to tell adobe to lockdown the PDF format while your at it. OSS works and benefits you because a lot of the projects are taken up as labors of love and the partcipants are willing to spend many sleepless nights solving a bug or patching a security hole; whereas windows is retisent to even admit it has these hols (Gartner just critiqued MS for spending too much time telling people flaws are not in fact flaws instead of admitting to these security holes and telling people how to avoid them).

Hey, if you want to keep your virus/trojan box by all means feel free. My Mac runs fine w/o a virus detector and so does my Gentoo box(both are open source: the Mac kernel and all of the software on my Gentoo box).

Thanx for clarifying all my doubts dear.. Real enlightened in this regards now!