Why Does a Car Move at Constant Velocity Despite Equal Opposing Forces?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of forces acting on a car moving at a constant velocity, specifically addressing the apparent contradiction between equal opposing forces and the car's motion. The scope includes theoretical explanations based on Newton's laws of motion.

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  • One participant questions why a car moves at constant velocity when opposing forces are equal, suggesting that equal forces should result in no movement.
  • Another participant clarifies that equal and opposite forces do not necessarily imply zero velocity, citing Newton's first law which states that a body in motion will remain in motion unless acted upon by an external force.
  • A different participant provides an example of a spacecraft traveling to Mars, explaining that it can maintain velocity without continuous thrust, as forces can balance without resulting in acceleration.
  • It is noted that while forces may balance (resulting in zero acceleration), the velocity can still be non-zero, emphasizing that changing velocity is what constitutes acceleration.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of equal opposing forces, with some asserting that such forces can coexist with motion, while others initially suggest that they should result in no movement. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the initial confusion about the relationship between force, acceleration, and velocity.

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Participants reference Newton's laws, but there are varying interpretations of how these laws apply to the scenario of a car moving at constant velocity against opposing forces. The discussion does not resolve the initial misunderstandings about these concepts.

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I was wondering, if the force that causes a car to move in one direction is matched by the drag force opposing in the other direction, why does the car move at a constant velocity rather than moving at zero velocity. I thought that when one force opposes the other equally, there is no net movement. Please help, thank you.
 
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Ah, I understand what you mean. I was quite confused by this very same thing when I first encountered it. Enough chatter, I'll get straight to an answer.

You seem to be confusing equal and opposite forces, and acceleration. This is a classical matter of physics that fits well within the framework of Newtons laws, namely Newtons first law. which states: (loosely)

That a body in motion will stay in motion, and a body at rest will stay at rest, unless acted on by an outside force.

If you look at the second law now which is simply the mathematical statement

F = ma (we'll stick with the simplest form here)

It simply states that a force is felt when there is acceleration.

Newton's third law which states,

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

What you are missing is here in Newton's third law.

There is a force and a reaction force which cancel each other out.
Therefore, by the first law, the body should continue in it's same direction without any change because there is no acceleration present to enact a force.

Assuming there are no relativistic effects, i.e. velocities appreciable to the speed of light, that's the description you are looking for. I figure this is about what you are asking for correct?
 
chembloke said:
I thought that when one force opposes the other equally, there is no net movement.

No that's not correct. When the forces balance there is no acceleration but there can be movement.

For example a spacecraft traveling to Mars does not have to burn it's engine all the way there. During the cruise part of the flight it speeds along with the rocket switched off so the force acting on the rocket is zero...yet it's still moving through space.

Consider your car starting from a standstill. Initially the force due to air drag is zero (it's not moving through the air). As the car accelerates the drag forces increase until they match the thrust provided by the engine. At that point the forces balance and the car cannot accelerate any more...but it can still continue at a constant velocity.

As rethipher says the relevant equation is F=m.a

If the total Force F=0 then the acceleration a=0 but velocity doesn't figure in the equation so can be anything. What the velocity can't do is change because changing velocity is acceleration.
 
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Thank you guys for all your help!
 

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