Why does air escape through a pinched ballon?

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of air escaping from a pinched balloon, exploring the relationship between internal and external pressures, the elasticity of the balloon material, and the conditions affecting these pressures. It touches on concepts from physics related to pressure, elasticity, and the behavior of gases in different environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the pressure inside a balloon is not equal to atmospheric pressure, challenging the idea that inflation leads to equilibrium with external pressure.
  • One participant proposes that the elasticity of the balloon's rubber plays a crucial role, as it returns to its original shape when pinched, thus forcing air out.
  • Another participant argues that the internal pressure must be higher than the external pressure to account for both atmospheric pressure and the pressure exerted by the elastic material of the balloon.
  • There is mention of the dependency on the type of balloon, indicating that different materials may behave differently under similar conditions.
  • A hypothetical scenario is presented where a deflated balloon in a vacuum would inflate until internal pressure balances with external conditions, emphasizing the role of tension in the balloon membrane.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between internal and external pressures, with no consensus reached on whether the internal pressure equals atmospheric pressure or is higher due to elastic forces. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact mechanics at play.

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Some statements rely on assumptions about the behavior of gases and the properties of balloon materials, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion also highlights the complexity of pressure dynamics in different environments.

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Hello guys,

This is simple question but I have gone completely blank. Ok let's say there was a balloon outside that was inflated. This means that it has expandes so it's pressure is equivalent to atmpospheric pressure right?

So when I pinch it why does air escape, how does balloon suddenly have higher pressure to make air move out? Is pinching the balloon equivalent to making the volume of the balloon smaller. Thanks :smile:
 
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I believe the answer to this question isn't about the atmospheric pressure, but about the force that the elasticity of the rubber of the balloon has on the air. What happens when you stretch the rubber and let it go? It returns back to its original shape right? The same thing in this case. The expansion of the rubber is just stretching it, so when it has the opportunity, the balloon will go back to its original shape and size, thus pushing out the air.
 
The answer to this question is all about pressure. The pressure inside a balloon is not equal to the atmospheric pressure. In particular,
sameeralord said:
Ok let's say there was a balloon outside that was inflated. This means that it has expandes so it's pressure is equivalent to atmpospheric pressure right?
This is not correct.
 
I have heard the same thing before (pressure inside a balloon= pressure outside), from a physics teacher or something like this...so I'm not surprised that OP is asking this question. I was wondering the same thing.

I think I resolved it to myself by dismissing what the physics teacher said as BS, though. Sure the balloon expanded, but the expanded balloon is nevertheless pressing on the air inside of it, so surely the pressure must be higher.
 
Lsos said:
I have heard the same thing before (pressure inside a balloon= pressure outside), from a physics teacher or something like this...so I'm not surprised that OP is asking this question. I was wondering the same thing.

I think I resolved it to myself by dismissing what the physics teacher said as BS, though. Sure the balloon expanded, but the expanded balloon is nevertheless pressing on the air inside of it, so surely the pressure must be higher.

Yup .. the internal pressure must be higher to balance both the external pressure + the "surface pressure" from the elastic material of the balloon. This latter term is directly proportional to the surface tension, and inversely proportional to the radius (assuming a spherical shape).
 
If you took a deflated balloon up into space (assume ambient pressure is zero). Let a small amount of air into the balloon. It will inflate until the pressure balances. It could well burst if you put 'too much' air in but, if it settles down, the pressure inside will be finite and the pressure outside will be zero. The pressure inside is due, entirely, to the forces of tension in the balloon membrane.
 

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