Why does inverting the base of a negative exponent cancel the negative?

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The discussion revolves around understanding why inverting the base of a negative exponent results in the cancellation of the negative sign. Participants explore mathematical identities and concepts related to exponents and percentages, aiming to clarify the underlying principles of these operations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how inverting the base cancels the negative exponent, relating it to a personal understanding of percentages.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify the relationship between negative exponents and their positive counterparts by referencing the identity ab * ac = ab+c, suggesting that this can help understand why a-x = 1/ax.
  • There is a discussion about the meaning of percentages, with one participant explaining that "12.5%" translates to ".125" and is not directly related to the concept of inversion.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the relationship between percentages and decimal placement, indicating a personal discovery about the reciprocal of whole numbers.
  • Another participant reiterates the mathematical identity to support the explanation of negative exponents.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the explanation of why inverting the base cancels the negative exponent. There are competing views on the relationship between percentages and the mathematical operation being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the terminology used, particularly regarding the concept of inversion and its relation to percentages. There are unresolved aspects regarding the clarity of mathematical identities and their application in this context.

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So I understand the math, that is, how to solve these problems. But how does inverting the base cancel out the negative in the exponent? I worked out inversion to simply be a setback of 2 decimal places, e.g. 12.5% of 8 = 1, so 1/8 is .125 % of 1. But why does this nullify the negative?
 
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Hey bcheck and welcome to the forums.

I think you are talking about why a-x = \frac{1}{a^x}.

The best way to understand this is through the following identities:

ab*ac = ab+c. Now consider b = -c and consider
\frac{a^c}{a^b} = 1
 
bcheck said:
I worked out inversion to simply be a setback of 2 decimal places, e.g. 12.5% of 8 = 1, so 1/8 is .125 % of 1.

Hopefully this is a typo and you meant to write "1/8 is .125 of 1". I think you are mixing up two different concepts here though:

The "setback of 2 decimal places" is what "%" means. "per cent" literally means "for each hundred".

"12.5%" just means ".125" , dividing 12.5 by 100. As you know, dividing a number by 100 sets the decimal point back 2 places. It's nothing to do with "inversion".

Returning to your original example, if we write it without involving per cents, here are some different ways of saying the same thing (Bearing in mind that "of" just means multiplication):

1 / 8 = .125
1 / 8 = .125 * 1
1 / 8 = .125 of 1
.125 * 8 = 1
.125 of 8 = 1

No mystery?
 
chiro said:
Hey bcheck and welcome to the forums.

I think you are talking about why a-x = \frac{1}{a^x}.

The best way to understand this is through the following identities:

ab*ac = ab+c. Now consider b = -c and consider
\frac{a^c}{a^b} = 1
Thanks man.
 
Old Wolf said:
Hopefully this is a typo and you meant to write "1/8 is .125 of 1". I think you are mixing up two different concepts here though:

The "setback of 2 decimal places" is what "%" means. "per cent" literally means "for each hundred".

"12.5%" just means ".125" , dividing 12.5 by 100. As you know, dividing a number by 100 sets the decimal point back 2 places. It's nothing to do with "inversion".

Returning to your original example, if we write it without involving per cents, here are some different ways of saying the same thing (Bearing in mind that "of" just means multiplication):

1 / 8 = .125
1 / 8 = .125 * 1
1 / 8 = .125 of 1
.125 * 8 = 1
.125 of 8 = 1

No mystery?

Yeah the percent thing was just something I discovered for myself while doing this. I never thought of what "per cent" literally meant, and it what was really cool for me when I found that the reciprocal of every whole number as a decimal had a relationship that got me back to .01 every time (I could have definitely worded that better, but hopefully you got it). And yes, I did mean "1/8 is .125 of 1", but you got the gist of it. Anyway, I was really just wondering why this operation works in mathematics, but I more or less get it now with chiro's equation, along with the last post of this thread: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=254455 Thanks to both of you.
 

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