Why Does This Trigonometric Identity Seem Incorrect?

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The discussion revolves around the trigonometric identity sin^2x + 4sinx + 4 / sinx + 2 = sinx + 2, with participants attempting to simplify the left side. The key step involves factoring the numerator as (sinx + 2)(sinx + 2), allowing for cancellation with the denominator. However, a critical point raised is the importance of understanding when such cancellations are valid, particularly concerning values that make the denominator zero. The conversation emphasizes the need to consider the implications of dividing by expressions that could be zero, which is crucial for maintaining the integrity of the identity. Overall, the thread highlights the complexities involved in manipulating trigonometric identities and the necessity of careful consideration of variable restrictions.
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Homework Statement


sin^2x + 4sinx +4 / sinx + 2 = sinx +2

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


L.S = sin^2x + 4sinx +4 / sinx + 2
=1-cos^2+4(sinx + 1) / sinx +2

Not sure where to go from there.
Not sure if I was even supposed to factor out the 4?
 
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Veronica_Oles said:

Homework Statement


sin^2x + 4sinx +4 / sinx + 2 = sinx +2

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


L.S = sin^2x + 4sinx +4 / sinx + 2
=1-cos^2+4(sinx + 1) / sinx +2

Not sure where to go from there.
Not sure if I was even supposed to factor out the 4?
Please enclose the entirety of any numerator and/or denominator in parentheses.
 
SammyS said:
Please enclose the entirety of any numerator and/or denominator in parentheses.

(Sin^2x + 4sinx + 4) / (sinx + 2) = sinx + 2
 
Veronica_Oles said:
(Sin^2x + 4sinx + 4) / (sinx + 2) = sinx + 2
Factor the numerator.
 
SammyS said:
Factor the numerator.
Thank you, didn't catch that.
 
Veronica_Oles said:
Thank you, didn't catch that.
So, what do you get ?
 
SammyS said:
So, what do you get ?
((Sinx + 2)(Sinx + 2)) / (Sinx + 2)

Then you cancel one from top and bottom to get: Sinx + 2.
 
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Veronica_Oles said:
((Sinx + 2)(Sinx + 2)) / (Sinx + 2)

Then you cancel one from top and bottom to get: Sinx + 2.

Yes, but it is a tiny bit more complicated. Here's something to think about:

1) Why doesn't the following equality hold for all ##x##:

\frac{(x+2)(x+2)}{x+2} = x+2

2) Why is this no problem with the question in the OP?
 
micromass said:
Yes, but it is a tiny bit more complicated. Here's something to think about:

1) Why doesn't the following equality hold for all ##x##:

\frac{(x+2)(x+2)}{x+2} = x+2

2) Why is this no problem with the question in the OP?

((Sinx + 2)(Sinx + 2)) you then take reciprocal of denominator and multiply it by the numerator, and that it is when you cancel them out?
 
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Can you always divide out common factors from numerator and denumerator? For example, can you always say that (cosx-1)(cosx + 1)/(cosx - 1) = cosx + 1?

Why can/can't you say that? And what about your expression, those are things you have to think about!
 
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micromass said:
Yes, but it is a tiny bit more complicated. Here's something to think about:

1) Why doesn't the following equality hold for all ##x##:

\frac{(x+2)(x+2)}{x+2} = x+2

2) Why is this no problem with the question in the OP?

To give you a hint, what happens if we plug in -2 for x? Pay attention to the denominator.
 
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micromass said:
Yes, but it is a tiny bit more complicated. Here's something to think about:

1) Why doesn't the following equality hold for all ##x##:

\frac{(x+2)(x+2)}{x+2} = x+2

2) Why is this no problem with the question in the OP?

Veronica Oles said:
((Sinx + 2)(Sinx + 2)) you then take reciprocal of denominator and multiply it by the numerator, and that it is when you cancel them out?
micromass asked two questions. You didn't respond to his first question, and your answer to the second question doesn't address why ##\frac{(\sin x+2)(\sin x+2)}{\sin x+2} = \sin x+2## is always true, regardless of the value of x.
 
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